Tipping Point - Sexual Harassment In America

[BVS]

Originally Posted by redhill

A lot of Laz's out there...meanwhile there's an entire thread dedicated to welcoming him back.

It's odd how people can welcome revolting behavior if they know someone but cast stones at those who are famous but they've had no personal communication with (who are accused or guilty of similar behavior).

What a messed up and hypocritical world.

Petty and uncalled for...

I have no idea what you’re talking about on the rest of your post, I don’t welcome revolting behavior from anyone.

[BEAL]

If Franken wanted to keep his job, he should have denied everything. Even the photo as fake news.

We'll lose one of the good senators (not condoning his past behavior with women), and we'll gain a guy who's a sexual predator towards young girls.

Deny, Deny, Deny

Say you're sorry and you lose your job

[anitram]

Democrats mostly calling for Franken to resign, looks like he might tomorrow.

Republicans funding a child molester by way of comparison.

Heck of a job guys.

[redhill]

Originally Posted by BVS

Petty and uncalled for...

I have no idea what you’re talking about on the rest of your post, I don’t welcome revolting behavior from anyone.

No disrespect, but you're talking about something you have no idea about.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by redhill

You would.

Using this particular thread to rehash a beef with another member is a fairly shitty thing to do.

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by redhill

Distorting perceptions? Doesn't work with me.

I'm not going to argue with you about whether his shitty joke was "sexual harassment" or not. I don't think it was, it was a joke that would have landed with someone he had a jokey relationship with. He obviously doesn't have that with you, and you had every right to be pissed off about it, and he received repercussions.

Some people, myself included, called Laz out for a shitty failed joke. Those of us who know him wanted to hear what he had to say about the new album, so yes. I said "welcome back."

[redhill]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Using this particular thread to rehash a beef with another member is a fairly shitty thing to do.

The irony and hypocrisy were too glaring. BTW, you're proving my point.

[redhill]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

I'm not going to argue with you about whether his shitty joke was "sexual harassment" or not. I don't think it was, it was a joke that would have landed with someone he had a jokey relationship with. He obviously doesn't have that with you, and you had every right to be pissed off about it, and he received repercussions.

Some people, myself included, called Laz out for a shitty failed joke. Those of us who know him wanted to hear what he had to say about the new album, so yes. I said "welcome back."

Reasonable but questionable response.

I appreciate the level head, though.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by redhill

The irony and hypocrisy were too glaring. BTW, you're proving my point.

Still waiting to figure out what that point is.

You came into a thread and started comparing Laz to the serial sexual harassers that have been outed of late, I guess as some sort of revenge joke on what he did to you? I'm not sure if there's a point there, other than that you probably should have brought your complaints to diemen rather than hijacking a thread that the poster in question isn't even involved in.

[Nick66]

Originally Posted by anitram

Democrats mostly calling for Franken to resign, looks like he might tomorrow.

Republicans funding a child molester by way of comparison.

Heck of a job guys.

Republicans should absolutely not be helping or endorsing this guy in anyway. They can't keep him from running, but they sure as hell don't have to help him. The funding is all Trump though. He's the head of the party, and once he endorsed Moore the RNC had to fund him. They do what the President says.

That said, I can't exactly say calling on Franken to resign now, after, what, the seventh accuser, is exactly a profile in party courage. Franken, when he resigns, will be immediately be replaced with a Democrat by a Democratic Governor. It doesn't impact the balance of power at all in the Senate.

If Franken were from a state with a GOP Governor, who would appoint a Republican to replace him, then it would take some political courage for Dems to force him out. So if it were say, Bill Nelson in Florida so accused, and Rick Scott would be appointing his replacement, I'm not entirely convinced there would be so many calls for him to step down.

[redhill]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Still waiting to figure out what that point is.

You came into a thread and started comparing Laz to the serial sexual harassers that have been outed of late, I guess as some sort of revenge joke on what he did to you? I'm not sure if there's a point there, other than that you probably should have brought your complaints to diemen rather than hijacking a thread that the poster in question isn't even involved in.

If you can't figure the point out then you're attacking without even reading my initial post. This is an interesting (though ultimately failed) combination of vilifying, blame shifting, and attempting to create a distorted perception.

My post wasn't a joke, a complaint, or an attempt to hijack the thread. Just found it unfortunate at best that people welcome sickening behavior from people they know (and will even attack the victim) while simultaneously casting stones at others who are famous for similar behavior.

I'm done and ready to move on as I made my point...but I'm guessing others are going to want to keep the merry go round spinning.

[Nick66]

Redhill, is this thread really the place for this discussion? Really? To be honest I have no idea WTF you're talking about, and if I don't, then other people reading this don't either.

[redhill]

Originally Posted by Nick66

Redhill, is this thread really the place for this discussion? Really? To be honest I have know idea WTF you're talking about, and if I don't, then other people reading this don't either.

Hopefully, you realize that the title of this thread is "Tipping Point - Sexual Harassment In America".

[BVS]

Originally Posted by redhill

No disrespect, but you're talking about something you have no idea about.

I do know that I don’t welcome revolting behavior, and I do know about Laz’ “joke”. It was uncalled for and he was temporarily banned, still doesn’t excuse you. So what exactly did I miss?

[redhill]

Originally Posted by BVS

I do know that I don’t welcome revolting behavior, and I do know about Laz’ “joke”. It was uncalled for and he was temporarily banned, still doesn’t excuse you. So what exactly did I miss?

Excuse me for what?

[MrsSpringsteen]

I'm so glad I have no idea what's going on here. But it's not the topic nor do I care about whatever the drama is...can only imagine though. Definitely didn't miss any of that while I was gone.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by anitram

Democrats mostly calling for Franken to resign, looks like he might tomorrow.

Republicans funding a child molester by way of comparison.

Heck of a job guys.

Yep. And Anthony Weiner's career in the Democratic Party died after the crap with him, too.

Bill Clinton's history certainly casts a shadow over the Democratic Party, and it does need to be acknowledged for sure. But in terms of recent behavior, the party also seem to have learned a bit from that mess and are trying to weed out the creeps as best as possible when the news about them breaks. I won't say it's been perfectly handled each time, no, but there are people doing something about it regardless. The Republicans, meanwhile, support Moore, and shrugged off the stuff with Trump. Definitely a stark contrast in actions there.

Having said that, however, Nick does raise a valid point about the "party courage" element, and how different things might be depending on who's running the state.

Originally Posted by Nick66

Doesn't everyone have their assistants do this?

Seriously though, I don't think he's a psycho. Just your run of the mill sleaze with way, way too much power. If this kind of behaviour was a result of psychosis there would be a lot less of it. Sadly this is what can happen to normal men when they think the world owes them something and they have no one to answer to.

Heh, eh, I meant "psycho" in a more general insult sense than anything else, but still, you're right about this, too. The fact that this stuff can't be attributed to some sort of mental issue, that it's just a guy being a supreme asshole for the hell of it, because he can, makes it even creepier.

His behavior only makes me even further sympathetic to the people who didn't speak out despite not being personally harassed by him. If he had that kind of power to where he could be THAT intimidating and controlling a presence, it would be very scary to call him out openly, and I can totally see people thinking it'd be futile to even try.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by redhill

The irony and hypocrisy were too glaring. BTW, you're proving my point.

I don't think so, I think headache was correct. I had nothing to do with it and this topic is personal for me too. It's not as if I don't know that in general crap and worse conduct goes on in this forum. It's one of the reasons I took a break from it. But I just don't get what you're trying to do here. Calling people hypocrites I guess for some past stuff that my topic has nothing to do with.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel

Yep. And Anthony Weiner's career in the Democratic Party died after the crap with him, too.

Bill Clinton's history certainly casts a shadow over the Democratic Party, and it does need to be acknowledged for sure. But in terms of recent behavior, the party also seem to have learned a bit from that mess and are trying to weed out the creeps as best as possible when the news about them breaks. I won't say it's been perfectly handled each time, no, but there are people doing something about it regardless. The Republicans, meanwhile, support Moore, and shrugged off the stuff with Trump. Definitely a stark contrast in actions there.

Having said that, however, Nick does raise a valid point about the "party courage" element, and how different things might be depending on who's running the state.



Heh, eh, I meant "psycho" in a more general insult sense than anything else, but still, you're right about this, too. The fact that this stuff can't be attributed to some sort of mental issue, that it's just a guy being a supreme asshole for the hell of it, because he can, makes it even creepier.

His behavior only makes me even further sympathetic to the people who didn't speak out despite not being personally harassed by him. If he had that kind of power to where he could be THAT intimidating and controlling a presence, it would be very scary to call him out openly, and I can totally see people thinking it'd be futile to even try.

Naaaah.

Weiner received numerous second chances. Just watch the documentary on his mayorial campaign, which is a fascinating train wreck of a film.

And Bill is obviously not shunned by the Democrats, either.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by redhill

Excuse me for what?

Airing your beef in a completely unrelated thread while trying to equate this poster with the subject of this thread.