Time magazine cover - Page 5

ladyfreckles · 05-31-2012, 04:05 PM

Also wanted to add that I'm a fairly "modest" person. I'm not the kind of person that would go around topless (heck, in over 95% of my shirts and dresses you can't see cleavage), it's just that I believe other women who do want to do that should have the right to.

Jive Turkey · 05-31-2012, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyfreckles

That is not what I'm saying at all. In a restaurant even men are required to shirt up. However, in a place like a park or a beach I could not care less if a woman is fully exposed and feeding a child. I honestly don't care. From the arguments I've seen about public breast feeding it sounds like it's only modest if the entire infant and the breast is covered in a blanket, which is just ridiculous. Even in the photo of the two air force women, neither of them are really over-exposed.

We're probably closer on this subject than either of us realize. My problem is not so much with the actions, but with the justifications (ie It's natural. It's beautiful. Breasts aren't sexual).
That said, I still think discretion should be exercised. And not even for myself; I just know it makes a lot of people uncomfortable and there's no need to be so in-your-face about it.

Jive Turkey · 05-31-2012, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyfreckles

I'm not sure what this is referring to or if it was even for anything I said, but I'll assume it's for me not being able to hang my ass out and walk around

BoMac · 05-31-2012, 04:10 PM

And thank goodness for that!

deep · 05-31-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AchtungBono

- when we see couples having sex on the cover of "Field and Stream"? Where will it end?

that would be called the moneyshot

definition available at Urban Dictionary

MrsSpringsteen · 05-31-2012, 07:32 PM

Of course breasts are sexual- but they are and have to be 100 % of the time, during any and all circumstances? For me it's the shaming and sexualization of breast feeding that's troubling. I'll probably regret asking this

, but is that picture a turn on? Or the Time picture? Breasts as sexual can be separated from breasts as feeding a child, no? Unless you have some sort of breastfeeding fetish, as mentioned here before by ..99.9 percent probability it was .. dreadsox. Not that he had one, but he knew of it. Yeah, that's it...

The women I have seen breastfeed in public do it discreetly. I've never seen anyone breastfeed twins at the same time but logistically I imagine that would be tough period. Not to mention tough to be discreet. That military photo is exaggerated for effect, just like the Time photo. I like the military photo because it shows two distinct aspects of women-the tough and the tender.

Testicles can't feed a baby, obviously. If they could I'm sure guys wouldn't walk around doing it with them just hanging out for the world to see and 'ogle'. I'm sure they would be more discreet about it. Well, maybe not all of them

Jive Turkey · 05-31-2012, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Of course breasts are sexual- but they are and have to be 100 % of the time, during any and all circumstances? For me it's the shaming and sexualization of breast feeding that's troubling. I'll probably regret asking this

, but is that picture a turn on? Or the Time picture? Breasts as sexual can be separated from breasts as feeding a child, no? Unless you have some sort of breastfeeding fetish, as mentioned here before by ..99.9 percent probability it was .. dreadsox. Not that he had one, but he knew of it. Yeah, that's it...

To be 100% honest, I think this is probably where some of the uncomfortableness comes in to play. It's impossible to completely desexualize breasts (for me anyway and I assume for a lot of men), so there's probably a little bit of shame on the man's part for even having a flash sexual thought. Am I turned on by the pictures? No. Did I notice the breasts and on some level *ahem* evaluate them? Yes ma'am. It's impossible not to. Military mom on the left? c'maaaan. So there must be, in most men, a bit of an internal conflict between what we think is sexual and what we know is kinda weird to be thinking of as having any sexual aspect.

/perv'd

Jive Turkey · 05-31-2012, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

I'm sure they would be more discreet about it. Well, maybe not all of them

Trust me, I can say with 100% confidence that I have friends who ~~would~~ will not be discreet with their testicles

MrsSpringsteen · 05-31-2012, 08:25 PM

I fully admit that I notice and recognize beautiful natural breasts, most likely because I've never had any. My evaluate would probably be are those real and spectacular or are they fake. But to me noticing them and being like "wow" isn't the same as sexualizing. I can notice a beautiful looking man, but it's not always and not automatically sexual. If I saw some beautiful shirtless guy with his child, honestly at first I'd probably be thinking "aww" then I might be thinking other. Even without a child, it's not some automatic sexual thing. I think what I'm trying to say is that it can be an aesthetic thing without being sexual. So aesthetically the breasts might be considered beautiful, and nothing wrong with that. But they don't exist solely for sexual gratification. I do understand the whole dichotomy of it, but not making the leap to putting it on women and to shaming them.

For me the sexual/turn on part comes into play when anyone suggests that women should not be breastfeeding in public at all. Personally I think everything related to public display of body parts should be as discreet as possible/appropriate for the circumstance. But like anitram said, when a baby has to eat he/she has to eat. And if it comes to that, I'm not going to hold any woman responsible for anyone else's feelings or thoughts about it. In the end it's just a breast, we see far more displays of breast on a beach or sometimes at the mall. If she needs to "whip it out" and doesn't have the time to be discreet, well I think she should go right ahead and that we can handle it. To compare it to Playboy or to urinating and defecating in uniform, that's just ridiculous.

Jive Turkey · 05-31-2012, 09:32 PM

Moonlit_Angel · 05-31-2012, 09:42 PM

Well put, MrsS

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Also, reading back, this struck me...

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Originally Posted by AchtungBono

Sure breastfeeding is beautiful and natural......and so is having sex - when will we see couples having sex on the cover of "Field and Stream"? Where will it end?

Why would people having sex be on the cover of "Field and Stream"

?

corianderstem · 05-31-2012, 09:48 PM

Maybe a couple with a fish fetish?

LemonMelon · 05-31-2012, 09:59 PM

Yeah, Troy McClure would be all over that.

corianderstem · 05-31-2012, 11:01 PM

Hi, I'm Troy McClure! You might remember me from such instructional films as Restaurant Terror: Boob Feeding Frenzy and Mommy, That Lady Jabbed My Eye When She Whipped It Out!

LemonMelon · 05-31-2012, 11:04 PM

and Hang Your Ass Out and Walk Around in 10 Easy Steps

Irvine511 · 05-31-2012, 11:13 PM

I couldn't care less about breast feedin inn public, or this photo.

However, I do remember being a lifeguard and we had to make sure that women didn't breast feed on the pool deck because breast milk can be a hazardous substance in the way that blood can be a hazardous substance. It was an OSHA thing. Sure, that might seem insane, but it was a law. So I can see the same logic applying in, say, a restaurant. But beyond that I've never ever seen anyone be inappropriate and I cant imagine how seeing a breast in a baby's mouth could ever be a sexual turn on.

moiph · 05-31-2012, 11:49 PM

I don't care if women breast feed in public. I watched my mom breast feed my brothers and even though she was somewhat discrete about it I never minded. From what I've heard breast feeding/pumping often is a requirement for women otherwise they get very uncomfortable (some females on here will have to confirm this because I have no experience with it). The issue some of the people are bringing up in this thread isn't with being discrete, it's with what constitutes as discrete.

I am perfectly okay with seeing an entire breast out feeding a baby and as a male I can say there is nothing sexual about it and it does not make me feel uncomfortable. In my opinion if something like that makes you uncomfortable then you need to either learn to look away or really question the morals you were raised on. I also think part of the stigma against breast feeding is related to the fact that less and less women these days are actually doing it and formulas are much more popular so it is no longer considered "normal".

Jive Turkey · 06-01-2012, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by moiph

or really question the morals you were raised on.

Ha! That's a load of crap. I know plenty of young women who feel the same discomfort. It's got nothing to do with morals. There's nothing worse than the finger wagging defense

Jive Turkey · 06-01-2012, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

breast feedin inn

Gives a new meaning to bed and breakfast

moiph · 06-01-2012, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

Ha! That's a load of crap. I know plenty of young women who feel the same discomfort. It's got nothing to do with morals. There's nothing worse than the finger wagging defense

Those young women were raised with questionable morals as well. When you care that much about seeing a mother feeding her child, there are issues afoot.

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05-31-2012, 07:32 PM	#86
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,611 Local Time: 04:50 PM	Of course breasts are sexual- but they are and have to be 100 % of the time, during any and all circumstances? For me it's the shaming and sexualization of breast feeding that's troubling. I'll probably regret asking this , but is that picture a turn on? Or the Time picture? Breasts as sexual can be separated from breasts as feeding a child, no? Unless you have some sort of breastfeeding fetish, as mentioned here before by ..99.9 percent probability it was .. dreadsox. Not that he had one, but he knew of it. Yeah, that's it... The women I have seen breastfeed in public do it discreetly. I've never seen anyone breastfeed twins at the same time but logistically I imagine that would be tough period. Not to mention tough to be discreet. That military photo is exaggerated for effect, just like the Time photo. I like the military photo because it shows two distinct aspects of women-the tough and the tender. Testicles can't feed a baby, obviously. If they could I'm sure guys wouldn't walk around doing it with them just hanging out for the world to see and 'ogle'. I'm sure they would be more discreet about it. Well, maybe not all of them

05-31-2012, 08:25 PM	#89
MrsSpringsteen Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 28,611 Local Time: 04:50 PM	I fully admit that I notice and recognize beautiful natural breasts, most likely because I've never had any. My evaluate would probably be are those real and spectacular or are they fake. But to me noticing them and being like "wow" isn't the same as sexualizing. I can notice a beautiful looking man, but it's not always and not automatically sexual. If I saw some beautiful shirtless guy with his child, honestly at first I'd probably be thinking "aww" then I might be thinking other. Even without a child, it's not some automatic sexual thing. I think what I'm trying to say is that it can be an aesthetic thing without being sexual. So aesthetically the breasts might be considered beautiful, and nothing wrong with that. But they don't exist solely for sexual gratification. I do understand the whole dichotomy of it, but not making the leap to putting it on women and to shaming them. For me the sexual/turn on part comes into play when anyone suggests that women should not be breastfeeding in public at all. Personally I think everything related to public display of body parts should be as discreet as possible/appropriate for the circumstance. But like anitram said, when a baby has to eat he/she has to eat. And if it comes to that, I'm not going to hold any woman responsible for anyone else's feelings or thoughts about it. In the end it's just a breast, we see far more displays of breast on a beach or sometimes at the mall. If she needs to "whip it out" and doesn't have the time to be discreet, well I think she should go right ahead and that we can handle it. To compare it to Playboy or to urinating and defecating in uniform, that's just ridiculous.

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corianderstem Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 64,498 Local Time: 01:50 PM	Maybe a couple with a fish fetish?

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LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,784 Local Time: 01:50 PM	Yeah, Troy McClure would be all over that.

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corianderstem Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 64,498 Local Time: 01:50 PM	Hi, I'm Troy McClure! You might remember me from such instructional films as Restaurant Terror: Boob Feeding Frenzy and Mommy, That Lady Jabbed My Eye When She Whipped It Out!

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LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,784 Local Time: 01:50 PM	and Hang Your Ass Out and Walk Around in 10 Easy Steps

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Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 34,214 Local Time: 04:50 PM	I couldn't care less about breast feedin inn public, or this photo. However, I do remember being a lifeguard and we had to make sure that women didn't breast feed on the pool deck because breast milk can be a hazardous substance in the way that blood can be a hazardous substance. It was an OSHA thing. Sure, that might seem insane, but it was a law. So I can see the same logic applying in, say, a restaurant. But beyond that I've never ever seen anyone be inappropriate and I cant imagine how seeing a breast in a baby's mouth could ever be a sexual turn on.

05-31-2012, 11:49 PM	#97
moiph The Fly Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Seattle Posts: 81 Local Time: 01:50 PM	I don't care if women breast feed in public. I watched my mom breast feed my brothers and even though she was somewhat discrete about it I never minded. From what I've heard breast feeding/pumping often is a requirement for women otherwise they get very uncomfortable (some females on here will have to confirm this because I have no experience with it). The issue some of the people are bringing up in this thread isn't with being discrete, it's with what constitutes as discrete. I am perfectly okay with seeing an entire breast out feeding a baby and as a male I can say there is nothing sexual about it and it does not make me feel uncomfortable. In my opinion if something like that makes you uncomfortable then you need to either learn to look away or really question the morals you were raised on. I also think part of the stigma against breast feeding is related to the fact that less and less women these days are actually doing it and formulas are much more popular so it is no longer considered "normal".