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I have gone to great lengths to try to argue without bringing morality into it. Why does everyone ignore that?
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There are people with moral arguments on both sides, that's the thing about morals. To not recognize this is ignorance.
__________________That's why it's important to argue this from a fact base point. |
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2, yes, because being against the death penalty naturally means we support and sympathize with the perpetrators and not the victims ![]() Quote:
And quite frankly, I think child abusers/killers should be marched into jail, and the person bringing them in can announce, loudly, to every other prisoner what crime those sorts of people are being brought in for. As I understand it, child abusers/killers are violently hated in jail amongst the other criminals, weirdly enough, so the moment those other prisoners find out what these sickos did to a child, I'm sure the punishments they'll come up with could put the death penalty punishments to shame. Now how sympathetic does that idea sound? Also, the insults are really getting old, everyone. Can we grow up, please? |
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With the caveat that juries have still not rendered verdicts in any of these cases; I propose that a morally just and noble society should have no reason* not to seek the death penalty for the monsters in Colorado, Boston, Philadelphia or Cleveland.
*state capital punishment laws aside |
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I'm all for taking every reasonable precaution and using the death penalty judiciously but some crimes I see very little argument against using it when sentenced. The only exception being those that also forbid assisted suicide, abortion for any reason and are military pacifists. They at least are consistent. |
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I love when Christians use both the old and new testament to justify their beliefs. You can almost literally have any belief there is and find support for it in one or the other
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If murderers were to beg and plead for their life upon receiving the death penalty, and go to the room to be lethally injected crying how the world is unfair and saying, "damn I shouldn't have done that" - I would be all for the death penalty.
But too often murderers don't care as we hope they would. Timothy McVeigh was proud to see those gathered to watch him die because it was what he wanted (that is how I began to change my mind about the death penalthy). Jodi Arias is also playing martyr by asking to be put to death. Murderers have a completely different mindset than the average person. They are callous, self-centered to the point of being narcissists, and can also be natural-born sociopaths. They don't see the death penalty as a warning - they could care less. Their "work", if you will, is what's important. Put them in isolation and let them rot in prison. They would have no audience there. |
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"Those who live by the sword will die by the sword." |
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This was not a commandment by God telling man how to react, too often verses about ultimate justice are misinterpreted as how man should punish on earth. |
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Yeah I could see it being read as a warning to criminals, suggesting that death is a suitable punishment for a violent lifestyle. But that interpretation would be out of character for Christ and bizarre for the context: it's clearly a pacifist verse.
But that's the issue with using the Bible to explain one's rationale for their viewpoints; it's so wide open to interpretation that the same verse can be used to justify contrasting points. |
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But what I meant is that it's just a common sense observation. If you live by the gun, you will more than likely die by the gun. If you live this way, you will more than likely die by it's consequences. |
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Oh, I see what you meant by it not being phrased as a commandment then. I agree.
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