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Sad to see. However, this is how the scientific community works; some people are assholes.
__________________Just look at the recent scandal in the psychology community with the revelation that Stapel forged a huge amount of work. In the case of Climategate, I still feel there is no need to throw the baby out with the bathwater just because it conveniently supports your political ideologies, though. The stink the U.S. conservative wing makes about it is clearly not intended to find any kind of scientific merit or move the research forward, and is so blatantly self-serving to their corporate support and interests it makes one want to club a seal vigorously. I wonder if there are many conservatives who are actually interested in the scientific research and discussion, or if the entire thing is seen as winning moral points back against the left while conservative representatives couldn't give a flying fuck about science. Kind of amusing to watch the right grasp for some figurehead to demonize in the whole thing and they come up with Al Gore and his fucking boring movie about him standing on ladders and badly-rendered CGI globes. Please; this is amateur shit. And then you have iron horse and INDY who gleefully post about "how about that global warming?" when it snows heavily in their towns. I can't decide if they're serious or just poking fun at those who ignore long-term trends in favour of what happened yesterday. |
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I still want real studies but until this scandal is dealt with and skeptics are answered with good science I fear it will continue. I certainly would like something else to do with my time but the evidence of bias keeps piling on and piling on everyday and it looks worse and worse. Certainly new sciences like climatology and psychology are ripe with paradigm shifts whereas physics takes longer now to reach new understandings.
Man it just keeps coming: BBC’s Kirby admission to Phil Jones on “impartiality” | Watts Up With That? Quote:
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EPA sounds alarm on fracking in Wyoming - Dec. 9, 2011
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NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- The Environmental Protection Agency said this week that chemicals from "fracking," a controversial method of extracting natural gas from the ground, have polluted groundwater in Wyoming.
The findings represent the first time in the heated debate over fracking that the agency has drawn such a connection, which has long been claimed by environmental activists. ~from the link PhilsFan posted I agree this concern should be addressed, but this does not relate to what, I think, is the current myth of global warming. |
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The people who are telling you that there is no global warming are the same people who say fracking is safe. That is no coincidence.
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And the people who are telling you global warming is real are the same people who will read the article you posted and not think beyond their preconcieved agenda. |
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The people who are telling others that global warming is real are people who are basing it off research collected legitimately. Those who say it is not real are basing it off illegitimate research.
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That is your opinion. I guess we could go on and on with a tit for tat, but it would not presuade either of us. I'm cutting firewood in the morning. The world will not end. |
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I'm driving out in the woods in my SUV to cut firewood, fishing with my bare hands, and then cooking said fish by fire whilst smoking Lucky Strikes. Will there be raw milk? Oh yes. Bible readings? YOU BET!
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no. it's not an opinion. it is a fact. Quote:
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Yes, our science today is very comparable to the science they had in the eleventh century. That is an outstanding retort.
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I really wasn't trying to use that to refute global warming. Honestly, I don't know that much about the scientific facts behind it. It seems plausible; it certainly agrees with the Second Law of Thermodynamics. I'm not sold on whether humans massly contribute to it or not yet, however. |
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I wish the left would get irritated more about windfarms than just fracking.
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The wind farms in west Texas are amazing, the design of the blades don't spin fast enough to kill anything. The investment has already paid for itself, ahead of schedule. It's profitable, cheap, and powering big chunks of Texas, and they're not even done.
It's the kind of success story conservatives like to sweep under the rug. |
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You have never once posted a fact based article on this topic; you've posted opinion pieces, you've said Jesus wouldn't allow it, and once you even posted a poll that proved to be a fraud. |
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The cosmological controversies (the dominant Aristotilean worldview embraced by medieval European Christendom) that got Galilleo into so much trouble implicitly understood the Earth to be a globe. The question was whether the entire surrounding universe orbited it embedded in a series of crystalline spheres, or whether (as proved the case) we were the ones orbiting a greater body (the sun). ---------- There's certainly no cause for the scientists (or more accurately, philosophers) of the eleventh century or earlier to suck up to us; they did very, very well with the information available to them. But that's an aside for another day. |
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