The Pope resigns / New Pope discussion - Page 8

Axver · 03-17-2013, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kieran McConville

Look for shit's sakes, Dominos already did that. That was the gamechanger.

Haha, well played.

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Originally Posted by Irvine511

Good gravy, has it been 10 years?

This is what I've been asking myself, though with "good gravy" replaced by "fucking hell".

Kieran McConville · 03-17-2013, 06:46 AM

I've been lurking here for twelve years. And I can say, in all truthfulness, that it has changed only insofar as some old faces have gone and a couple of new faces have come. Probably the dismissiveness toward religion has gotten a little more in-yer-face, but nothing compares with the threads of doom immediately after 9/11.

Pearl · 03-17-2013, 09:50 AM

I agree the tone towards religion is more unfriendly compared to when I started posting here. While I know that there are some who disagree with the idea of God, spirituality and such, I don't understand the snarky comments that give little to the discussion and are more self-serving. I know snarkiness is the nature of the Internet, but it's still off-putting to see them when it is possible to have a good natured discussion.

But like Kieran said, back in the day, there was a lot of tension here over the war in Iraq and terrorism, so there was snarkiness and snappy tones there too. I guess those aspects found another topic.

Wow, I said back in the day. I've been on Interference for over 10 years (I had another name before registering under this one). Clearly, I have no life.

Irvine511 · 03-17-2013, 10:57 AM

I've gone through some of the (very) old threads, and what I found shocking was the homophobia and outright anti-gay attitudes by some of the regular posters (an AchtungBubba springs to mind). Melon was really alone back then.

I think what's also happened in here is that our "religious" posters present a very cartoonish version of Christianity, and this it's more easily mocked. It is true that FYM is a shadow of its former self, but that's due to Facebook and a wealth of other social media that didn't exist in 2004/5. And the fact that it takes U2 half a decade to record an album.

BonosSaint · 03-17-2013, 01:09 PM

I think some of the difficulty comes in for many of the threads when the discussions have two opposing sides arguing broadly and tediously and repetitively ad infinitum as opposed to two kind-of-the-same sides arguing in a narrower, shaded and much more interesting and less predictable dialogue.

We've certainly had several religious present interesting arguments here so I'm always uncomfortable with a broad brush, although I suspect that Irvine's quotes around "religious" added a little additional commentary, narrowing the brush stroke some.

Me? If the discussion is good enough, I don't care whether I agree with it or not.

Jive Turkey · 03-17-2013, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by beLIEve

degrade religion, period, especially Catholicism.

Incorrect. I degrade all religions equally.
If you want to start a thread on spirituality, start a thread on spirituality.

Danny Boy · 03-17-2013, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

Incorrect. I degrade all religions equally.
If you want to start a thread on spirituality, start a thread on spirituality.

I thought you were down with me being a Scientologist.

Jive Turkey · 03-17-2013, 06:15 PM

You misjudged my thetan levels

deep · 03-21-2013, 04:49 PM

On Gay Unions, a Pragmatist Before He Was a Pope

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/20/wo...eak.html?_r=1&

deep · 03-28-2013, 06:53 PM

I don't know who writes this guy's material, but he deserves a raise

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"This is a symbol, it is a sign — washing your feet means I am at your service," Francis told the youngsters. "Help one another. This is what Jesus teaches us. This is what I do. And I do it with my heart. I do this with my heart because it is my duty, as a priest and bishop I must be at your service."

Pope Francis washes feet of young detainees in ritual

Jive Turkey · 03-28-2013, 07:16 PM

"Pope Francis washed and kissed the feet of a dozen inmates at a juvenile detention center"

BEAL · 03-29-2013, 04:27 AM

Will wash someone's feet, but won't protect someone from getting AIDS. Makes sense

Pearl · 03-29-2013, 09:11 PM

He washed the feet of everyday people - not priests as it is tradition. He also washed the feet of a couple of young women. Females were never part of this.

So it is something. Yeah, a lot of work needs to be done, and washing and kissing the feet of youths sounds creepy to some. A step forward and then a step back, perhaps?

bono_212 · 03-29-2013, 09:37 PM

Oh come on.

Pearl · 03-29-2013, 09:47 PM

I didn't really mean that the Pope is pedophile. I was just addressing how some may see this.

bono_212 · 03-29-2013, 09:49 PM

If anyone sees that as anything below a very symbolic religious gesture then they're the ones with the screwed up minds. Just my opinion.

deep · 03-29-2013, 09:53 PM

this church is always going to have a pope

and as that goes, this man seems to be about the best person I have seen in that position that I can recall

bottom line, if nothing else, just the example he sets puts him way above the others.

Pearl · 03-29-2013, 09:54 PM

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If anyone sees that as anything below a very symbolic religious gesture then they're the ones with the screwed up minds. Just my opinion.

That's OK, I have nothing against you having an opinion. But I'd like it if you were a little more clear in your posts.

Jive Turkey · 03-29-2013, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bono_212

If anyone sees that as anything below a very symbolic religious gesture then they're the ones with the screwed up minds. Just my opinion.

The fact that kissing juvenile feet can be seen as creepy is the fault of the catholic church and no one else. Nobody is implying that it's sexual, but in light of not so distant events, you better believe the comments are going to fly (as they should)

martha · 03-29-2013, 10:42 PM

It's a much bigger deal that women were involved.

03-17-2013, 06:46 AM	#142
Kieran McConville ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hi, Violet Posts: 10,253 Local Time: 03:29 AM	I've been lurking here for twelve years. And I can say, in all truthfulness, that it has changed only insofar as some old faces have gone and a couple of new faces have come. Probably the dismissiveness toward religion has gotten a little more in-yer-face, but nothing compares with the threads of doom immediately after 9/11. __________________

03-29-2013, 09:37 PM	#154
bono_212 Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 83,919 Local Time: 10:29 AM	Oh come on. __________________

03-29-2013, 09:49 PM	#156
bono_212 Blue Crack Distributor Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 83,919 Local Time: 10:29 AM	If anyone sees that as anything below a very symbolic religious gesture then they're the ones with the screwed up minds. Just my opinion. __________________

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martha Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Orange County and all over the goddamn place Posts: 42,556 Local Time: 10:29 AM	It's a much bigger deal that women were involved. __________________

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03-17-2013, 09:50 AM	#143
Pearl Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 5,741 Local Time: 01:29 PM	I agree the tone towards religion is more unfriendly compared to when I started posting here. While I know that there are some who disagree with the idea of God, spirituality and such, I don't understand the snarky comments that give little to the discussion and are more self-serving. I know snarkiness is the nature of the Internet, but it's still off-putting to see them when it is possible to have a good natured discussion. But like Kieran said, back in the day, there was a lot of tension here over the war in Iraq and terrorism, so there was snarkiness and snappy tones there too. I guess those aspects found another topic. Wow, I said back in the day. I've been on Interference for over 10 years (I had another name before registering under this one). Clearly, I have no life.

03-17-2013, 10:57 AM	#144
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 34,215 Local Time: 01:29 PM	I've gone through some of the (very) old threads, and what I found shocking was the homophobia and outright anti-gay attitudes by some of the regular posters (an AchtungBubba springs to mind). Melon was really alone back then. I think what's also happened in here is that our "religious" posters present a very cartoonish version of Christianity, and this it's more easily mocked. It is true that FYM is a shadow of its former self, but that's due to Facebook and a wealth of other social media that didn't exist in 2004/5. And the fact that it takes U2 half a decade to record an album.

03-17-2013, 01:09 PM	#145
BonosSaint Rock n' Roll Doggie Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 3,566 Local Time: 01:29 PM	I think some of the difficulty comes in for many of the threads when the discussions have two opposing sides arguing broadly and tediously and repetitively ad infinitum as opposed to two kind-of-the-same sides arguing in a narrower, shaded and much more interesting and less predictable dialogue. We've certainly had several religious present interesting arguments here so I'm always uncomfortable with a broad brush, although I suspect that Irvine's quotes around "religious" added a little additional commentary, narrowing the brush stroke some. Me? If the discussion is good enough, I don't care whether I agree with it or not.

03-17-2013, 06:15 PM	#148
Jive Turkey ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,646 Local Time: 01:29 PM	You misjudged my thetan levels

03-21-2013, 04:49 PM	#149
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,602 Local Time: 10:29 AM	On Gay Unions, a Pragmatist Before He Was a Pope http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/20/wo...eak.html?_r=1&

03-28-2013, 07:16 PM	#151
Jive Turkey ONE love, blood, life Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,646 Local Time: 01:29 PM	"Pope Francis washed and kissed the feet of a dozen inmates at a juvenile detention center"

03-29-2013, 04:27 AM	#152
BEAL Rock n' Roll Doggie ALL ACCESS Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: San Diego Posts: 7,152 Local Time: 05:29 PM	Will wash someone's feet, but won't protect someone from getting AIDS. Makes sense

03-29-2013, 09:11 PM	#153
Pearl Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 5,741 Local Time: 01:29 PM	He washed the feet of everyday people - not priests as it is tradition. He also washed the feet of a couple of young women. Females were never part of this. So it is something. Yeah, a lot of work needs to be done, and washing and kissing the feet of youths sounds creepy to some. A step forward and then a step back, perhaps?

03-29-2013, 09:47 PM	#155
Pearl Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 5,741 Local Time: 01:29 PM	I didn't really mean that the Pope is pedophile. I was just addressing how some may see this.

03-29-2013, 09:53 PM	#157
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,602 Local Time: 10:29 AM	this church is always going to have a pope and as that goes, this man seems to be about the best person I have seen in that position that I can recall bottom line, if nothing else, just the example he sets puts him way above the others.