The Pope resigns / New Pope discussion - Page 2

anitram · 02-11-2013, 10:32 AM

My first thought was "Palpatine is quitting??" He just looks so much like him.

I think if we take this at face value (that he was an 85-year-old man who has declined so much physically that he no longer feels up to meeting the challenges of his job, which include many public events/appearances and extensive international travel), then I have to respect him for the decision that he is made. It is actually a remarkably modern thing to say that you are no longer up to snuff and you want to move aside for the next generation to take your place. Compare that with the last couple of years of JPII's papacy, where he was essentially a walking corpse. I had to cringe anytime I saw him because he always looked either like he was suffering unspeakably or like he was tranquilized. I'm willing to bet that most of us wouldn't want to live out our last days like that.

From what I can gather there is little positive that he did during his Papacy aside from improving Catholic/Jewish relations. You will notice that Jewish leaders have been particularly positive and full of praise today and it's because the Pope spent considerable effort addressing the Church's failings during the holocaust, etc. Unfortunately he did not devote himself in such a manner to a number of other pressing issues that his Church is facing today and I don't think that history will treat him particularly kindly, or really particularly unkindly. He is more likely to be a blip on the radar screen.

There are some very impressive bishops and cardinals in the third world (particularly thinking of Latin America and certain parts of Africa) who are strong advocates for social justice, an area on which I think the Church should refocus because unlike other stances, it is actually correct. Unfortunately since the College of Cardinals is now stuffed to the brim with conservative dogmatic types, we're not likely to see a Pope whose views and approach is radically different than that of the current one.

MrsSpringsteen · 02-11-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by anitram

There are some very impressive bishops and cardinals in the third world (particularly thinking of Latin America and certain parts of Africa) who are strong advocates for social justice, an area on which I think the Church should refocus because unlike other stances, it is actually correct. Unfortunately since the College of Cardinals is now stuffed to the brim with conservative dogmatic types, we're not likely to see a Pope whose views and approach is radically different than that of the current one.

It's very sad that they wouldn't pick someone like that, and that they've lost so much focus on social justice issues. Luckily many members of the church haven't lost any focus on that - but that's also where a major disconnect happens, and why so many people are disenchanted.

Pearl · 02-11-2013, 01:02 PM

Some of my friends are wondering if this means we're headed for the end times. They're referring to St. Malachy's list of popes and how the one after Benedict will be the last pope, overseeing the end of the days.

There's enough evidence to say that list was forged in the 1600s.

lazarus · 02-11-2013, 01:14 PM

I'm confused--does Ratzinger go into the Hall Of Fame wearing his papal tiara, or his Hitler Youth cap?

LemonMelon · 02-11-2013, 01:27 PM

"If the new Pope has a better jump shot than Obama, the end draws nigh."

-St. Malachy

Pearl · 02-11-2013, 01:42 PM

Sorry, I just had to share this:

BoMac · 02-11-2013, 01:47 PM

I was a little shocked this morning when my eggs Benedict announced it was no longer my breakfast and walked off my plate.

bono_212 · 02-11-2013, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Pearl

Sorry, I just had to share this:

That's fantastic.

Irvine511 · 02-11-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

I'm confused--does Ratzinger go into the Hall Of Fame wearing his papal tiara, or his Hitler Youth cap?

both will go smashingly with his fetching prada shoes.

anitram · 02-11-2013, 02:34 PM

From Twitter:

Resign? Sorry, Benedict. You cannot resign. You must carry your papacy to full term. #bestpopejoke

Axver · 02-11-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bono_212

Well, I can see this thread is already going to be a waste of time.

And you wonder why there's no discourse in Free Your Mind.

Well, it is the Pope.

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Originally Posted by anitram

It is actually a remarkably modern thing to say that you are no longer up to snuff and you want to move aside for the next generation to take your place. Compare that with the last couple of years of JPII's papacy, where he was essentially a walking corpse.

I was going to post pretty much this. Better to resign than have all that morbid speculation about when you'll finally cark it, too.

Irvine511 · 02-11-2013, 03:14 PM

i, for one, did Nazi this coming.

cobl04 · 02-11-2013, 03:48 PM

My first two posts were negative, yes. But I struggle to think of a position of power that is more out of touch with modern values. I remember our very own Cardinal George Pell was one of the people rumoured to replace JP2, and his views are archaic as well.

LemonMelon · 02-11-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Axver

cark it

This is the greatest expression.

I hope when I die that people break the news with it.

"Yeah, sorry, he totally carked it. Carked the big one, for real."

cobl04 · 02-11-2013, 03:56 PM

One of many reasons Australian English is the best.

deep · 02-11-2013, 04:33 PM

I think the reason other popes have not resigned is because they would have nothing to do

nowadays these old codgers have viagra

LemonMelon · 02-11-2013, 04:41 PM

"Hey, I want to direct wry satirical commentary towards the Pope!"

"This would be a good time to do so!"

"I know!"

"But what's funny about the Catholic church?"

"Well, gee, everything!"

"You're right! I'm sure with a wealth of foibles like that, you can come up with something clever and thought-provoking that is simultaneously humorous!"

"Oh yeah, piece of cake!

...did you hear the one about the priest who raped a kid?"

MrsSpringsteen · 02-11-2013, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by deep

nowadays these old codgers have viagra

Yeah, I'm sure that's what he'll be doing .

He's retiring to a monastery, not a frat house.

deep · 02-11-2013, 04:56 PM

I am sure he is sick of eating those Filet-O-Fish sandwiches every Friday

cobl04 · 02-11-2013, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Yeah, I'm sure that's what he'll be doing .

He's retiring to a monastery, not a frat house.

You couldn't tell that was a joke?

02-11-2013, 10:32 AM	#21
anitram Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NY Posts: 18,918 Local Time: 09:15 PM	My first thought was "Palpatine is quitting??" He just looks so much like him. I think if we take this at face value (that he was an 85-year-old man who has declined so much physically that he no longer feels up to meeting the challenges of his job, which include many public events/appearances and extensive international travel), then I have to respect him for the decision that he is made. It is actually a remarkably modern thing to say that you are no longer up to snuff and you want to move aside for the next generation to take your place. Compare that with the last couple of years of JPII's papacy, where he was essentially a walking corpse. I had to cringe anytime I saw him because he always looked either like he was suffering unspeakably or like he was tranquilized. I'm willing to bet that most of us wouldn't want to live out our last days like that. From what I can gather there is little positive that he did during his Papacy aside from improving Catholic/Jewish relations. You will notice that Jewish leaders have been particularly positive and full of praise today and it's because the Pope spent considerable effort addressing the Church's failings during the holocaust, etc. Unfortunately he did not devote himself in such a manner to a number of other pressing issues that his Church is facing today and I don't think that history will treat him particularly kindly, or really particularly unkindly. He is more likely to be a blip on the radar screen. There are some very impressive bishops and cardinals in the third world (particularly thinking of Latin America and certain parts of Africa) who are strong advocates for social justice, an area on which I think the Church should refocus because unlike other stances, it is actually correct. Unfortunately since the College of Cardinals is now stuffed to the brim with conservative dogmatic types, we're not likely to see a Pope whose views and approach is radically different than that of the current one. __________________

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BoMac Self-righteous bullshitter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Soviet Canuckistan — Socialist paradise Posts: 16,900 Local Time: 10:15 PM	I was a little shocked this morning when my eggs Benedict announced it was no longer my breakfast and walked off my plate. __________________

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02-11-2013, 01:02 PM	#23
Pearl Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 5,741 Local Time: 09:15 PM	Some of my friends are wondering if this means we're headed for the end times. They're referring to St. Malachy's list of popes and how the one after Benedict will be the last pope, overseeing the end of the days. There's enough evidence to say that list was forged in the 1600s.

02-11-2013, 01:14 PM	#24
lazarus Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California Posts: 42,084 Local Time: 06:15 PM	I'm confused--does Ratzinger go into the Hall Of Fame wearing his papal tiara, or his Hitler Youth cap?

02-11-2013, 01:27 PM	#25
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,784 Local Time: 06:15 PM	"If the new Pope has a better jump shot than Obama, the end draws nigh." -St. Malachy

02-11-2013, 01:42 PM	#26
Pearl Rock n' Roll Doggie VIP PASS Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 5,741 Local Time: 09:15 PM	Sorry, I just had to share this:

02-11-2013, 02:34 PM	#30
anitram Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NY Posts: 18,918 Local Time: 09:15 PM	From Twitter: Resign? Sorry, Benedict. You cannot resign. You must carry your papacy to full term. #bestpopejoke

02-11-2013, 03:14 PM	#32
Irvine511 Blue Crack Supplier Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 34,222 Local Time: 09:15 PM	i, for one, did Nazi this coming.

02-11-2013, 03:48 PM	#33
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 59,014 Local Time: 11:15 AM	My first two posts were negative, yes. But I struggle to think of a position of power that is more out of touch with modern values. I remember our very own Cardinal George Pell was one of the people rumoured to replace JP2, and his views are archaic as well.

02-11-2013, 03:56 PM	#35
cobl04 45:33 Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: East Point to Shaolin Posts: 59,014 Local Time: 11:15 AM	One of many reasons Australian English is the best.

02-11-2013, 04:33 PM	#36
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,602 Local Time: 06:15 PM	I think the reason other popes have not resigned is because they would have nothing to do nowadays these old codgers have viagra

02-11-2013, 04:41 PM	#37
LemonMelon More 5G Than Man Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Hollywoo Posts: 68,784 Local Time: 06:15 PM	"Hey, I want to direct wry satirical commentary towards the Pope!" "This would be a good time to do so!" "I know!" "But what's funny about the Catholic church?" "Well, gee, everything!" "You're right! I'm sure with a wealth of foibles like that, you can come up with something clever and thought-provoking that is simultaneously humorous!" "Oh yeah, piece of cake! ...did you hear the one about the priest who raped a kid?"

02-11-2013, 04:56 PM	#39
deep Blue Crack Addict Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A far distance down. Posts: 28,602 Local Time: 06:15 PM	I am sure he is sick of eating those Filet-O-Fish sandwiches every Friday