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Old 06-01-2013, 02:59 AM   #201
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The bishops or cardinals or whatever came out a couple days later and said the pope was mistaken about that
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Old 06-01-2013, 03:07 AM   #202
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I heard that exorcism story last week, but haven't looked much into it. Pope Francis is trying to wave it off, isn't he?
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So far, a marked improvement on the last guy...

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Francis showed a personal and spontaneous side as he met with thousands of children from Jesuit schools across Italy and Albania. Tossing aside his prepared remarks, Francis surprised the kids by asking them if they’d like to ask him some questions instead.

“Yes!” they shouted to cheers and applause — and the concern of teachers who fretted that no one had prepared anything.

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One of the most touching moments came when Teresa, a bright-eyed redhead no more than six, asked Francis flat out if he had wanted to be pope.

Francis joked that only someone who hated himself would ever want to be pope. But then he became serious: “I didn’t want to be pope.”

Someone else asked him why he had renounced the papal apartments in the Apostolic Palace in favour of his spare suite in the Vatican hotel, where he has been living ever since the March conclave that elected him the first Jesuit pope and first pontiff from the Americas.

It wasn’t so much a question of luxury as personality, he said. “I need to live among people,” he said. “If I was living alone, isolated, it wouldn’t be good for me. A professor asked me the same question, ‘why don’t you go and live there (in the Papal apartments)’? And I replied: ‘Listen to me professor, it is for psychiatric reasons,“’ he said chuckling.

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This week, the Vatican confirmed that Francis wouldn’t vacation at the papal summer retreat at Castel Gandolofo, in the hills south of Rome, and would instead remain in the Santa Marta hotel with a reduced work schedule. Francis’ predecessors have all decamped for at least a few weeks each summer to the estate, where the lush gardens, lakeside perch and cool breezes provide a welcome respite to the oppressive summer heat of Rome. The estate, which by acreage is bigger than Vatican City, is entirely walled in, making it a perfect escape for a pope who wants isolation and solitude — but not one who wants to eat breakfast each morning with a group of fellow priests, as Francis does in the communal dining room of the Vatican hote

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He showed a similar ease on Friday as he engaged in a good 30 minutes of banter with the schoolchildren, casually making the points he has made in his homilies and speeches: about the “scandal” of poverty and how the world frets when the stock market dips but cares nothing when a homeless person dies, and how everyone should learn a lesson from the poor.

Once or twice a year, Pope Benedict XVI would take questions from young people, but the questions were always submitted in advance so he could prepare a response.
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Pope Francis has given a 17-year-old boy with Down Syndrome the ride of his life – sort of.

Francis invited Alberto di Tullio up onto his open-top Mercedes at the end of his general audience Wednesday, letting him spin around on the pontiff’s white chair while tens of thousands of people looked on.
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Old 06-19-2013, 10:49 AM   #205
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:38 PM   #206
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So, John Paul II performed two 'miracles'...

How does obviously fraudulent information like that make believers feel? Honest question... with maybe a hint of snark... just a hint.
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So, John Paul II performed two 'miracles'...

How does obviously fraudulent information like that make believers feel? Honest question... with maybe a hint of snark... just a hint.
Well, I'm a believer I haven't seen any miracles with the exception of the St. Louis Cardinals Game 6 of the World Series comeback against the Rangers. Joking aside - I do believe they are possible. I also think there will be a time when such miracles are commonplace, but it certainly doesn't seem that time is now.

I'm not the largest support of the role of Pope, but I do think the current Pope is setting a great example in Christian humility. Unfortunately, the other recent Popes played a role in the sexual abuse cover-ups and their legacies are marred in my eyes - with or without miracles.
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:26 PM   #208
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I guess my point is, if John Paul is on his way to sainthood - I think it's safe to say we can agree that he didn't perform miracles - does that not cheapen the idea of sainthood? Does it not, as a believer, lead you to question the miracles supposedly performed by other saints? Doesn't it call a great deal of the lore of Christianity into question?
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I guess my point is, if John Paul is on his way to sainthood - I think it's safe to say we can agree that he didn't perform miracles - does that not cheapen the idea of sainthood? Does it not, as a believer, lead you to question the miracles supposedly performed by other saints? Doesn't it call a great deal of the lore of Christianity into question?
Nah.

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"...blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed." John 20:29
Faith is strange thing for many of us. To quote Bono in Playboy Mansion, "And though I can't say why, I know I've got to believe."

For me, faith is just there. That doesn't mean it is devoid of logic and reason, but it plays only a part. As I came to know the New Testament, after studying Greek Philosophy - it not only made intellectual sense to me, it pulled at my heart and soul like nothing before -or since. It's as real as anything can be real - and my faith doesn't require any more miracles than the one of my own conversion.

Yet - I would love to see some actual miracles like those recorded in the Gospels taking place on a daily basis. Maybe soon...
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What supposed miracles did he perform?
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What supposed miracles did he perform?


not sure, but I heard it happened on 34th street.
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What supposed miracles did he perform?
Healed people from beyond the grave because someone prayed to a shrine of the guy.

Catholics are weird.
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For me, each day is a miracle. I don't think you need a massive supernatural thing to happen to believe in miracles. It's kind of like that Einstein quote: “There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle.”

In regards to Pope John Paul II, this is all political and PR for the Vatican. It usually takes many years for someone to become a saint, so the fact that they've sped up the process here screams agenda.
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Einstein didn't believe in god
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I think he did believe in "god" - but in more of Deist sort of way. There are more than a few Einstein "God" quotes out there...
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So? Does that mean his quote has no value?

Or are you saying he never really said that and is falsely associated with that quote?
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OK, it looks like Einstein is being falsely associated with that quote. He may not have said that at all, or was misquoted.

But even so, you don't have to believe in any supreme being to be amazed by the world around you.
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OK, it looks like Einstein is being falsely associated with that quote. He may not have said that at all, or was misquoted.

But even so, you don't have to believe in any supreme being to be amazed by the world around you.
For most people, when they say they don't believe in God - they are rejecting the Biblical view of God, but do seem to be open some sort of higher being/entity/energy...etc. Currently, there are many in the transhumanist camp that think humans, or perhaps a runaway AI, will become God through technology.

Additionally, quantum physics proves that our universe is far stranger than anyone can ever imagine - this alone leaves room for numerous possibilities, including God and miracles.
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I guess my point is, if John Paul is on his way to sainthood - I think it's safe to say we can agree that he didn't perform miracles - does that not cheapen the idea of sainthood? Does it not, as a believer, lead you to question the miracles supposedly performed by other saints? Doesn't it call a great deal of the lore of Christianity into question?
Saints don't perform miracles. Nor do you pray to a Saint to perform a miracle. This is a big misconception among non-Catholics.

Saints intercede with God on your behalf. So it's kind of like, when you pray, you don't pray to a Saint, rather you ask them to intervene with God on your behalf due to their privileged position with God since they lived a saintly/blessed life, etc.

So there are no miracles that JPII performed himself - it would be miraculous events that are associated with people asking him for an intercession.

Does that make sense? (By which I mean my explanation, not the actual belief.)
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