The Pope resigns / New Pope discussion

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by Pearl

I was raised Catholic and went to church every Sunday and religious classes (CCD) once a week. Washing feet was not a major gesture during my upbringing, so from my perspective, not too many would think of Catholicism over that. As I said earlier, blessing yourself or receiving communion would be that.

It's not just Catholicism, it's all Christianity. Jesus washed the feet of Peter at the last supper as a symbolism of being washed clean of sin. Peter then asked Jesus to wash his feet and his hands as well but Jesus goes on to explain,

“Do you understand what I have done for you?” he asked them. 13“You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. 15I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. 16Very truly I tell you, no servant is greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him. 17Now that you know these things, you will be blessed if you do them."

Thus, its ritualism on Easter Thursday in Catholicism and as a general symbolism of purification in all of Christianity.

[martha]

Originally Posted by LemonMelon

I can, actually. Washing of feet as a symbol of sanctification long precedes history of child molestation in the Catholic church, so I don't think the Pope should place himself in the shoes of those who are unaware of that. It's on them to inform themselves before passing judgment.

Err so yeah, what Martha said.

Much more eloquently said, thank you.

[Jive Turkey]

Well the argument was never that everyone will make that connection. It was that getting mad when someone does is misdirected. Be mad at the molesters and at the church for trying to cover it up and creating an atmosphere where these things are said

[Diemen]

I don't know about that. I think it IS (justifiably) anger inducing when people jump to making a pedophilia connection first in a church that is much more than that scandal.

Though the cover up of said scandal is FAR more anger inducing.

[martha]

Originally Posted by Diemen

I don't know about that. I think it IS (justifiably) anger inducing when people jump to making a pedophilia connection first in a church that is much more than that scandal.

Especially when the jump is made without knowing the background of what's going on.

[bono_212]

I was never mad, just confused. As a Protestant, it does bug me seeing the connection in a practice my church partakes in as well.

[Jive Turkey]

Bottom line: if the catholic church doesn't want to be associated with pedophilia (which it unquestionably is) its on them to stop protecting the pedophiles. I can't understand how it's getting deflected onto the people making the comments

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

Bottom line: if the catholic church doesn't want to be associated with pedophilia (which it unquestionably is) its on them to stop protecting the pedophiles.

No disagreement that it's on them to stop protecting pedophiles.

I can't understand how it's getting deflected onto the people making the comments

Because the people making the comments are using it as an excuse to bash everything about the church. The church is more than its failings. If your first instinct when seeing the pope washing feet is to crack a pedophile joke, then you're not exactly taking the high road.

[Jive Turkey]

If the supposed high road doesn't include a healthy dose of ridicule, I'll happily take the low

[deep]

I like this picture



I like Pope Francis, I know he has only been Pope two weeks, but so far I think he is a much better person than both Ratzinger or John Paul II.

[Pearl]

Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists.

During his homily at Wednesday Mass in Rome, Francis emphasized the importance of "doing good" as a principle that unites all humanity, and a "culture of encounter" to support peace.

"The Lord created us in His image and likeness, and we are the image of the Lord, and He does good and all of us have this commandment at heart: do good and do not do evil. All of us. ‘But, Father, this is not Catholic! He cannot do good.’ Yes, he can... "The Lord has redeemed all of us, all of us, with the Blood of Christ: all of us, not just Catholics. Everyone! ‘Father, the atheists?’ Even the atheists. Everyone!".. We must meet one another doing good. ‘But I don’t believe, Father, I am an atheist!’ But do good: we will meet one another there.

Pope Francis Says Atheists Who Do Good Are Redeemed, Not Just Catholics

This is huge for a pope to acknowledge atheists - let alone anyone who isn't Catholic - in a positive way. Its almost too good to be true in a way, but then again he has a reputation for social justice and being humble, unlike the other guy.

[cobl04]

That's cool, and how it should be now if only he could not be homophobic.

[digitize]

That's massively different than the prevailing line of thought in most strains of Protestantism, at least in the US. Interesting.

[Jive Turkey]

It's nice I guess, but is it anything more than lip service?

Originally Posted by cobl04

now if only he could not be homophobic.

That would be nice. Or "Oh ya, wear condoms so you don't get AIDS" would be cool too.... but I guess atheists going to heaven is... something (a pat on the back?).
It's sort of like when Columbia House used to send me CDs I didn't want because I forgot to opt out

[deep]

every now and then they say,

some of that stuff we used to say,
well, it was nonsense, just forget about it.

the rest of the stuff? it's legit, not a scam.
(until the next time we need to revise)

[Jive Turkey]

[Cactus Annie]

Originally Posted by deep

I like this picture



I like Pope Francis, I know he has only been Pope two weeks, but so far I think he is a much better person than both Ratzinger or John Paul II.

I agree with 'tis post

[Jive Turkey]

this is happening... in 2013.... and being talked about with straight faces

Famous exorcist says Pope's simple prayer cast out demon :: Catholic News Agency (CNA)

[LemonMelon]

Lol Francis is a ho but he seems nice enough.

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by digitize

That's massively different than the prevailing line of thought in most strains of Protestantism, at least in the US. Interesting.

Yeah, that's definitely not what I've been raised to believe.