The Murder Of Ahmaud Arbery

[dazzledbylight]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Jacob Blake

I pray that he survives.

And eventually with as little or no lasting direct physical effects once he starts to hopefully recover.

Pyscologicaly? That could be a different story. And his poor kids. Ghads, all around.

[BEAL]

I’m waiting for all the info to come out before making any sort of judgement.

The headlines make it sound like he was just a dude getting into his car and got popped in the back by police. My fear is that the narrative being created right could come crashing down once facts are released and the right wing will
Pounce on it and the movement.

What i want to know:

What was the reason for the cops being there
What happened before the video clip starts ?
Why couldn’t five or so cops stop this guy from walking around his car ?
What was the guy doing getting into his car ? If driving away then zero reason to be shot ever.
If he had weapons in front of car, that would explain why the cop shot him.

None of the above excuses the excessive force as seeing the cop pull on the shirt versus a legit restraint was cringeworthy (and that would have meant putting his gun away)

Apologies if more info has come out and I’m behind

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Jacob Blake

I pray that he survives.

Paralyzed from the waist down according to his father.

[LuckyNumber7]

To me there’s no amount of info that can come out that makes this a trap.

Doesn’t matter if there’s a fucking gun in his car. Sorry, but three officers drew a weapon on a man who has no weapon drawn on anyone.

Obvious ability to have apprehended what they considered to be a suspect via any other means but they chose to shoot. If there’s a gun in the car and therefore not on his person yet, drawing their weapons in the first place is unacceptable and they’re racist fucks who escalated the situation out of fear and hate. If there’s no gun in the car, they’re murderers.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

To me there’s no amount of info that can come out that makes this a trap.

Doesn’t matter if there’s a fucking gun in his car. Sorry, but three officers drew a weapon on a man who has no weapon drawn on anyone.

Obvious ability to have apprehended what they considered to be a suspect via any other means but they chose to shoot. If there’s a gun in the car and therefore not on his person yet, drawing their weapons in the first place is unacceptable and they’re racist fucks who escalated the situation out of fear and hate. If there’s no gun in the car, they’re murderers.

I agree with all of this except the murderers part, as he's still alive.

[LuckyNumber7]

Attempted murderers. Thugs. Intent to kill not in self defense or defense of others.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

To me there’s no amount of info that can come out that makes this a trap.

Doesn’t matter if there’s a fucking gun in his car. Sorry, but three officers drew a weapon on a man who has no weapon drawn on anyone.

Obvious ability to have apprehended what they considered to be a suspect via any other means but they chose to shoot. If there’s a gun in the car and therefore not on his person yet, drawing their weapons in the first place is unacceptable and they’re racist fucks who escalated the situation out of fear and hate. If there’s no gun in the car, they’re murderers.

Blake was tased prior to the video clip shown - so there was an effort to use non lethal force. The person who recorded the video also stated that he heard police yell "drop the knife" prior to when he began recording.

That's not an excuse for shooting him in the back whatsoever - but if there was a knife it does give a reason as to why guns were already drawn.

Unless there was a gun in the car that he was reaching for - which or these was you would clearly think it would have come out by now - then there is zero reason to shoot him and yes, that should be prosecuted as murder.

[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

that should be prosecuted as murder.

Splitting hairs here again, but he's not dead.

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Blake was tased prior to the video clip shown - so there was an effort to use non lethal force. The person who recorded the video also stated that he heard police yell "drop the knife" prior to when he began recording.

That's not an excuse for shooting him in the back whatsoever - but if there was a knife it does give a reason as to why guns were already drawn.

Unless there was a gun in the car that he was reaching for - which or these was you would clearly think it would have come out by now - then there is zero reason to shoot him and yes, that should be prosecuted as murder.

Mmm you see, the notion that a knife constitutes four guns in retaliation is something wrong with our policing. Knife crime happens all the time in the UK and the police are equipped to deal with it. It can in fact constitute armed police, but not necessarily.

Police are trigger happy. “A weapon” is enough evidence to shoot you. It could be a freaking butter knife and they’d shoot you. It could be a baseball bat and they’d shoot you.

Police in our country are trained to shoot. They’re trained to use their weapons. People who become police officers want to shoot. They want to use their weapons. You can tell by the way that officer held his gun like a fucking piece and unloaded copious amounts of bullets into a slumped over dying individual. Every single shot beyond shot #1 was indefensibly “you didn’t listen to me and this is what you get.” Maybe shot #1 was that too, or maybe just accidental trigger happiness.

[Jerry Dunk]

They've put out a warrant for the 17-year-old kid who drove from Illinois with his militia buddies and murdered two people last night. He's apparently returned to Illinois and has not been apprehended.

ETA: He may have since been arrested. When the initial complaint was announced, he had not been arrested yet.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Mmm you see, the notion that a knife constitutes four guns in retaliation is something wrong with our policing. Knife crime happens all the time in the UK and the police are equipped to deal with it. It can in fact constitute armed police, but not necessarily.

Police are trigger happy. “A weapon” is enough evidence to shoot you. It could be a freaking butter knife and they’d shoot you. It could be a baseball bat and they’d shoot you.

Police in our country are trained to shoot. They’re trained to use their weapons. People who become police officers want to shoot. They want to use their weapons. You can tell by the way that officer held his gun like a fucking piece and unloaded copious amounts of bullets into a slumped over dying individual. Every single shot beyond shot #1 was indefensibly “you didn’t listen to me and this is what you get.” Maybe shot #1 was that too, or maybe just accidental trigger happiness.

They’re trained to shoot because literally anyone could have a gun in this country.

It’s another example of how more guns make us less safe.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Mmm you see, the notion that a knife constitutes four guns in retaliation is something wrong with our policing. Knife crime happens all the time in the UK and the police are equipped to deal with it. It can in fact constitute armed police, but not necessarily.

Police are trigger happy. “A weapon” is enough evidence to shoot you. It could be a freaking butter knife and they’d shoot you. It could be a baseball bat and they’d shoot you.

Police in our country are trained to shoot. They’re trained to use their weapons. People who become police officers want to shoot. They want to use their weapons. You can tell by the way that officer held his gun like a fucking piece and unloaded copious amounts of bullets into a slumped over dying individual. Every single shot beyond shot #1 was indefensibly “you didn’t listen to me and this is what you get.” Maybe shot #1 was that too, or maybe just accidental trigger happiness.

I'm not debating most of what you said.

To Irvine's point, and I believe we've discussed this before, we have an enormous gun issue in this country - so it's a tad different than just saying "well the UK does it differently" because the UK doesn't have a massive gun problem like we do.

I'm staunchly against the second amendment - so you're not going to get an argument from me about cops not being armed. But the issues are connected. If we want to get rid of cops with guns, then we need to get rid of civilians with guns.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Hewson

Splitting hairs here again, but he's not dead.

Yes... attempted murder.

[BEAL]

It's the guns, stupid.

Live in a country where a minor can cross state borders with a assault rifle, and then decide to bring justice to the town by killing two people.

We are obsessed with killing, and killing with guns. And it's easy, there's 400 million of them in circulation.

Cops are also trained to kill with guns. And their training states that if they feel their lives, or others lives are in danger, they are to unload the fucking clip on the person.

That is why the cop shot seven plus times. They are trained to neutralize a threat with their guns. When we ask, why can't they shoot them in the leg? Because if the suspect/victim has a gun, they are still a threat to use it.

There are so many issues here. Police, Society, Racism, Violence, Greed, Union/Frat Protection

I'm worried about election night and these boogaloos going out and shooting people in order to shut down polls. Or doesn't even have to be shooting someone, just cause enough of a disturbance that people flee, and or cops shut things down

And what's really sad is that a majority of americans do want sensible gun laws. But we're fucked over by the minority and NRA rule

[DaveC]

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[Hewson]

Originally Posted by Jerry Dunk

They've put out a warrant for the 17-year-old kid who drove from Illinois with his militia buddies and murdered two people last night. He's apparently returned to Illinois and has not been apprehended.

ETA: He may have since been arrested. When the initial complaint was announced, he had not been arrested yet.

Yep, he's been arrested and charged with first degree intentional homicide.

This kid needs to be made an example of. And Trump needs to be voted out so he can't pardon him cause he was just one of the "very fine people on both sides".

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Hewson

Yep, he's been arrested and charged with first degree intentional homicide.

This kid needs to be made an example of. And Trump needs to be voted out so he can't pardon him cause he was just one of the "very fine people on both sides".

yes. good lord, the cell phone interview snippets of him on Twitter are chilling.

[Jerry Dunk]

This is abhorrent. I don't know how you "reform" this. We just need to defund the police, drastically and quickly.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Milwaukee Bucks boycotting their playoff game

[BEAL]

Originally Posted by Jerry Dunk

This is abhorrent. I don't know how you "reform" this. We just need to defund the police, drastically and quickly.

How do you think society will behave if police can’t do any aspect of their job ?

Who responds to any issue ?

For your question, you fire that guy and replace him with someone who will reform. You keep repeating this process.

Maybe you end up in the same spot as “defund”, but without any one to enforce laws we don’t have a functional society.

We’ve seen this first hand with covid. People will not follow rules unless enforced with fines or eventually people get scared enough to go out