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Old 10-02-2011, 08:45 PM   #601
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It is my opinion that GWB is one of the most misunderstood presidents in U.S. history and only future generations will come to truly appreciate what a great man he was and the great things he did for the country.


That's just too funny.
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A friend of Israel is a friend of AchtungBono.
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Old 10-02-2011, 10:55 PM   #603
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George H.W. Bush was good for Israel, George W Bush was a disaster.
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A friend of Israel is a friend of AchtungBono.
Not necessarily Canadiens.....you don't have to be a friend of Israel to be my friend - but it does help if you take time to understand our point of view.

I realize that the hatred people have for GWB is more or less the same as the hatred for Israel. That's because people don't understand who we're fighting against and what kind of monsters we're dealing with.

In westerns, when the bad guys take over the town, kill a lot of people and basically terrorize the townsfolk, the people cry for law and order and then the shefiff comes in to get rid of the bad guys - sometimes by using extreme measures which the townspeople don't like but that are ultimately for their own good.

Israel has been fighting a war on terrorism since its establishment (and even before). The U.S.A has been "officially" fighting it since 2001. Up till then, Americans were used to living a certain way and having certain freedoms which the 911 terrorists took advantage of. GWB did the right thing in curbing some of those freedoms - which helped thwart numerous terrorist plots subsequent to 911 (shoe bomber, underwear bomber...etc.).

As I said, only future history and future events will ultimately decide the GWB legacy. Unfortunately, his name will forever be linked with 911 and terrorism and war just as, tragically, Sharon Tate's name will forever be linked with Charles Manson (not to compare the two).

Again, this is only my opinion.
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which helped thwart numerous terrorist plots subsequent to 911 (shoe bomber, underwear bomber...etc.).
My, what poor examples you have. The only thing that thwarted either of those two was their own stupidity. They BOTH were able to board planes and initiate their failed attacks
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I realize that the hatred people have for GWB is more or less the same as the hatred for Israel.


i strongly disagree with you here.
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i strongly disagree with you here.
Fair enough....I'm just voicing my opinion - you don't have to agree.

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history very well might be able to look back and defend a lot of things the bush administration did, and look upon them in a more favorable light.

history won't be able to change new orleans. there is no defense for that.
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history very well might be able to look back and defend a lot of things the bush administration did, and look upon them in a more favorable light.

history won't be able to change new orleans. there is no defense for that.
I live in New Orleans, and I can honestly say I don't blame Bush for anything that happened here.
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But many on all sides and from all over do
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Fair enough....I'm just voicing my opinion - you don't have to agree.



absolutely.

i think people tend to overrespond to you at certain points. you have a valid point of view and an experience that the rest of us don't, and your points are always politely made.

i strongly disagree with a lot of them, but there have been very productive conversations that have come out of that.
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I live in New Orleans, and I can honestly say I don't blame Bush for anything that happened here.
the response, the Federal government did everything correct,
next time, things should be handled the same way?
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I live in New Orleans, and I can honestly say I don't blame Bush for anything that happened here.
the city & state governments fucked up big time as well... but yea, the federal government's response to katrina was disgusting.
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The key letter in FEMA is the F. Just a hint as to why folks aren't happy with the Executive's response to the disaster.
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stands for fuck up, yes? oh no that's two words... must be federal then.
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In westerns, when the bad guys take over the town, kill a lot of people and basically terrorize the townsfolk, the people cry for law and order and then the shefiff comes in to get rid of the bad guys - sometimes by using extreme measures which the townspeople don't like but that are ultimately for their own good.
I'm not sure that an analogy involving taking over towns is really what you're looking for.
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the response, the Federal government did everything correct,
next time, things should be handled the same way?
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the city & state governments fucked up big time as well... but yea, the federal government's response to katrina was disgusting.
I'd say a much larger amount of blame should be placed on the state government, than on the federal government. Although I'll concede that my knowledge of everything that went on is somewhat limited.
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i think the issue is that when the state government fails or is overwhelmed, then it is the fed's responsibility to step in and take over, because the fed wields power and resources that no individual state can hope to match.

they clearly failed to do so.

also, the nakedly stupid "heckuva job Brownie" comments didn't help much.
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My understanding (which honestly could be totally wrong, i wouldn't be surprised.) is that the state government has to declare a state of emergency before the federal government can completely step in?
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Read Doug Brinkley's "The Great Deluge" if you get a chance. I had to write a paper on it a few months ago, and it was really interesting. It makes it clear that a majority of the incompetence and fraud was with Blanco and Nagin. The federal government's mistakes were mostly with Brown and Chertoff. While he's by no means free from criticism, I question how much blame Bush himself legitimately deserves, other than the simple fact that he's the guy at the top.
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