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Bush's legacy won't survive the reality of toppling Saddam: the trillion dollar cluster-fuck reconstruction full of cronyism, lies, corruption, and American/Iraqi civilian deaths in exchange for establishing Iran's new BFF in the Middle East. That's the 10 ton anchor pulling him down. It'll be news clips of the Administration telling us we'd be greeted as liberators, news clips of snide officials guessing that it would cost 1, maybe 2 billion dollars. |
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considering that 69% of the American public strongly disapproves of Bush, it's clear that only the fringe believe he's done a good job -- it's the highest disapproval rate in history.
there's really no question here. only the self-deluded fringe approve of Bush's job. the viewpoints expressed in FYM are quite representative not only of the US at large, but the world at large as well. |
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still, who needs poll numbers when you have evidence?
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The benefit to the United States, the region and the world is enormous, but only those who actually know and understand the history of what Saddam did prior to 2003 are going to appreciate that.
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Iran has never posed the same threat that Saddam's Iraq did to the region and the world. Unlike Saddam's Iraq, Iran has not invaded an annexed any of its neighbors, attempted to sieze or sabotage much of the worlds oil supply, and use WMD on a mass scale against its neighbors. They have not launched ballistic missiles, unprovoked, at any of their neighbors. Even if Iraq were Iran's new puppet state, as you incorrectly claim, it would not change the necessity of removing Saddam. Today it is not Iran that has 150,000 troops in Iraq, its the United States, it is not Iran that has worked extensively with Iraq's military, it is the United States, it is not Iran that has essentially built the new Iraqi military that we see today, it is the United States, it is not Iran from whom the new Iraqi government plans to begin purchasing large numbers of weapon systems, it is the United States. Iran will never be able to offer Iraq what the United States, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar, Bahrain, and Egypt can offer it. That is why even the Shia Arabs with friendly ties to Iran are not going to become its puppet. Lets not forget that 40% of Iraq is not Shia Arab and has no desire to be a puppet state of Iran let alone have better ties with Iran than they would with the Sunni Arab countries, the United States and Europe. |
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If FYM were representative of the USA at large, not only would Bush never have been President, but the Republican party would be smaller than the Green party is in reality today. |
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Not much evidence in the article which claims 8 year period is the weakest economically in decades!?!?!
Well, lets look at the raw averages of some economic numbers for Clintons 8 years VS. Bush's 8 years: The Average National Federal Debt as a percentage of GDP: Clinton Years 64.5% Bush Years 61.9% Average GDP growth rate: Clinton Years 5.4% Bush Years 4.8% Average Annual Poverty Rate: Clinton Years 13.3% Bush Years 12.3% Average Annual Inflation Rate: Clinton Years 2.60% Bush Years 2.69% Average Annual Unemployment Rate: Clinton Years 5.21% Bush Years 5.20% It should be noted that the average poverty rate under President Bush is the 3rd lowest in US history! |
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When the biography of the Bush Administration is written, I wonder what the over/under will be on administration officials using some variation on that trying to defend themselves against the painfully obvious, recorded, analyzed, and predicted events that actual experts discussed, from 9/11 to Iraq to Katrina to the recent financial meltdown. That will be another part of Bush's legacy. Anti-intellectualism until things go wrong, then it's the experts fault for never seeing it coming. I did not mean to suggest a strong puppet state relationship, but Saddam's Iraq was a major regional counterpoint to Iran. Now they have a more friendly government, and certainly not the western-liberal ready ally to Israel that a few were bold enough to envision. |
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The poverty rate and unemployment rate are not very useful anymore. Every government in power has found it to their advantage to twist and redefine it to make the numbers look better for them. This predates both Clinton and Bush. Good for a very broad picture but I wouldn't be counting decimal places as a comparison.
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STING, you act like anyone who disagrees with Bush must be unaware. We know exactly what the state of Iraq was before 2003.
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No you don't, for that matter I don't, but I would accept it being a choice between bad and worse; and unlike people with convictions (such as financeguy) I expect you to be mute when it comes to a humanitarian intervention by the Obama administration.
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I just can't believe what he said about Katrina
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Almost entirely disconnected?
Campbell Brown Rips Bush For Katrina Remarks (VIDEO) Campbell Brown cut through George Bush's bull Monday night, taking the President to task for his remarks about Hurricane Katrina during his farewell press conference. Brown "was taken aback" with Bush's statements defending his administration's Katrina response, statements she described as "almost entirely disconnected still from what really happened." "Don't tell me the federal response was slow," Bush said, "when there was 30,000 people pulled off roods right after the storm passed." "Many people will disagree over many aspects of the Bush legacy," Brown said. "But on the government's handling of Katrina? It is impossible to challenge what so many of us witnessed firsthand, what the entire country witnessed through the images on our television screens day and night. "Mr. President, you cannot pat yourself on the back for that one," she then said. "We will debate the war in Iraq, debate national security, the economy, and the rest of your legacy. Those debates will continue for years to come. But on how you handled Katrina, there is no debate." |
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I love it.. a new bushism: "Misunderestimate"
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Watching snippets of that last press conference, I almost - ALMOST - felt sorry for him.
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