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Well actually you can prove that dragons and leprechauns don't exist. These kind of examples that get thrown out are just flippant. They're mythical creatures (emphasis on creatures), they don't exist, they never existed in any literal sense. If they did exist they would exist as flesh and blood and it's relatively easy to take a look around and see that, nope, they aren't there (setting aside the difficulties of keeping track of species with very few members).

God is a very different proposition.

You can't prove that they never existed. There are millions of creatures that have existed on Earth that we haven't yet, or possibly never will, find evidence for. The example stands. I can change it to Thor if it makes you feel better.

"They're mythical, they don't exist, they never existed in any literal sense."

I don't know how this is relevant. Every other god except yours would fall into this category too, no?
 
You can't prove that they never existed. There are millions of creatures that have existed on Earth that we haven't yet, or possibly never will, find evidence for. The example stands. I can change it to Thor if it makes you feel better.

It doesn't make me feel better, actually.

yeah ok, but let's say for the sake of argument that dragons would be a little harder to miss than some of this earth's myriad weird species. Except as an analogue for dinosaurs, we can be... fairly sure they don't exist. And if we can't we can keep looking.


"They're mythical, they don't exist, they never existed in any literal sense."

I don't know how this is relevant. Every other god except yours would fall into this category too, no?

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Kieran McConville said:
It doesn't make me feel better, actually.

yeah ok, but let's say for the sake of argument that dragons would be a little harder to miss than some of this earth's myriad weird species. Except as an analogue for dinosaurs, we can be... fairly sure they don't exist. And if we can't we can keep looking.

Most dead animals don't fossilize. There are countless animals that once lived that we'll never know about. I do like that we're suddenly so interested in solid proof of existence though. But now we're getting way off topic

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Hmmmm. Interesting point
 
I can't prove it doesn't exist doesn't mean that it des exist, when I also can't prove it does exist, so why is this even relevant anyway?
 
IWasBored said:
I can't prove it doesn't exist doesn't mean that it des exist, when I also can't prove it does exist, so why is this even relevant anyway?

God and Jesus and Dragons and such
 
Santa may exist. You can't prove he doesn't.

Asking someone to prove something doesn't exist is not a real logical argument to prove something does exist.
 
These back and forth conversations here are a very good example of why I have long described myself as an agnostic.

I have no idea what is out there. Is it possible that there is a higher power directing everything, whether actively or passively? Sure. Do I have proof of it? No. Do I think anyone has proven it one way or another? No. Do I think it's possible to prove? Honestly, no.

And I am happy living with this view. Some people will say that it's akin to fence-sitting, but to me it's just an expression of very honest thought and feeling. I don't know and it doesn't bother me. I don't believe that knowing, one way or another, impacts how we should live our short lives on this planet - honestly, honourably and hopefully happily.
 
I can't imagine anyone who has been on the internet long enough to navigate beyond the google homepage could still be interested in debating whether or not God exists. "Why is sky" and "shuwh wyeyru wmcsmcn72763" are equally viable questions to discuss, and nowhere near as divisive.
 
The nation is crumbling because of that asshole wmcsmcn72763 and his socialist shuwh politics!!

SHARE THIS IF YOU AGREE
 
I can't imagine anyone who has been on the internet long enough to navigate beyond the google homepage could still be interested in debating whether or not God exists. "Why is sky" and "shuwh wyeyru wmcsmcn72763" are equally viable questions to discuss, and nowhere near as divisive.

I never used to debate this topic (pointless and mostly uninteresting) but I did spend a lot of my time when I was younger, in my early 20s (seems so long ago), wondering about whether God exists, in what form, what happens to us after we die. Particularly the last one - that was the time when my grandparents started to die and so I think it made the question more real than it had previously been.

Now, I never wonder those things anymore. I have found a great peace in not wondering and just living my life as best as I possibly can. I found that when I mentally divorced religion from morality and salvation from good citizenry, it was wonderfully liberating.
 
The nation is crumbling because of that asshole wmcsmcn72763 and his socialist shuwh politics!!

SHARE THIS IF YOU AGREE

If wmcsmcn72763 can get a million likes by next week, he will be able to prove that Jesus was a dragon!
 
Dammit, I'm still on my phone and can't type that fast.

Annie needs to come back and tell me how politics, not religion, were responsible for various genocides throughout history. Stalin-era Russia is the only example of mass murder I can think of that was not entirely a result of introducing fear and/or hatred of another religion into politics.

The first world war was after the assassination of the Austrian Archduke in Sarajevo and was caused by increased conflict between kingdoms within Europe. The second world War was caused by the great depression and anger within Germany after what happened after the first War. There was some scary scenes in Greece with an extreme right-wing political party rising to power after the country's economy collapsed.

It's far too simplistic to suggest that one factor alone was the single cause of an outbreak of war.
 
Well hold on though. No one is trying to convert anyone. It was purely about whether you could make a logical argument for God
 
The first world war was after the assassination of the Austrian Archduke in Sarajevo and was caused by increased conflict between kingdoms within Europe. The second world War was caused by the great depression and anger within Germany after what happened after the first War. There was some scary scenes in Greece with an extreme right-wing political party rising to power after the country's economy collapsed.

It's far too simplistic to suggest that one factor alone was the single cause of an outbreak of war.

As it's also too simplistic to call it all politics. I didn't say religion, and only religion, was the cause of ever war.
 
INDY500 said:
Undoing the damage of the University

Exactly.

Look it up.

This doesn't surprise me at all. Ignorance in its purest form. Keep up the good work

I guess I'll have to wait for one of your radio hosts to tell you what to say
 
This doesn't surprise me at all. Ignorance in its purest form. Keep up the good work

I guess I'll have to wait for one of your radio hosts to tell you what to say

Really? Kind of full of ourselves aren't we?

The New Atlantis ? The Folly of Scientism

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Advocates of scientism today claim the sole mantle of rationality, frequently equating science with reason itself. Yet it seems the very antithesis of reason to insist that science can do what it cannot, or even that it has done what it demonstrably has not. As a scientist, I would never deny that scientific discoveries can have important implications for metaphysics, epistemology, and ethics, and that everyone interested in these topics needs to be scientifically literate. But the claim that science and science alone can answer longstanding questions in these fields gives rise to countless problems.

In contrast to reason, a defining characteristic of superstition is the stubborn insistence that something — a fetish, an amulet, a pack of Tarot cards — has powers which no evidence supports. From this perspective, scientism appears to have as much in common with superstition as it does with properly conducted scientific research. Scientism claims that science has already resolved questions that are inherently beyond its ability to answer.

Of all the fads and foibles in the long history of human credulity, scientism in all its varied guises — from fanciful cosmology to evolutionary epistemology and ethics — seems among the more dangerous, both because it pretends to be something very different from what it really is and because it has been accorded widespread and uncritical adherence. Continued insistence on the universal competence of science will serve only to undermine the credibility of science as a whole. The ultimate outcome will be an increase of radical skepticism that questions the ability of science to address even the questions legitimately within its sphere of competence. One longs for a new Enlightenment to puncture the pretensions of this latest superstition.

Austin L. Hughes is Carolina Distinguished Professor of Biological Sciences at the University of South Carolina.
 
Undoing the damage of the University

Exactly.

Look it up.

Scientism is a nothingness, positivism on the other-hand does exist and it is something many scientists try to avoid, though some do, though it's a slightly more nuanced than this scientism nonsense. You don't really need to make up some silly bogeyman.
 
Why don't you try answering a question in your own words instead of cowering behind short non-answers, links, and pitifully uninformed videos?

I did yesterday, what good did that do?

Dennis Prager is not anti-science he's anti-scientism, as am I. To co-opt your language, no truly logical thought can lead toward a belief that science alone can render truth about the world, reality and the nature of man.

Now, why don't you try answering a question without resorting to insults or a condescending attitude? And if you feel you're too learned and wise to be bothered by my hayseed notions and prejudices please let me know now so we don't waste our time.
 
So you follow these posts:

What does this even mean?

And what is "scientism"? Is that a made up word for when one doesn't like the answers science gives?

Dennis Prager is not anti-science he's anti-scientism, as am I. To co-opt your language, no truly logical thought can lead toward a belief that science alone can render truth about the world, reality and the nature of man.

this doesn't mean anything.

Science has been chipping away at all of these things for centuries. What has religion done?

Up with this:

Undoing the damage of the University



Exactly.


Look it up.


And I'm the one resorting to condescension? Are you mad at me for ripping into the shitty video you posted?
 
"Look it up" is almost always a terrible response to someone online, considering backing up your claims with something takes a quick google search.
 
To me "look it up" means that what he would post himself would just be a cut and paste job anyway. At least digest what you're reading and shit it out all over me under your own volition
 
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