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Old 01-30-2013, 02:20 PM   #61
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When I was in college, I was walking through the cafeteria one December, and there was an Orthodox Jew standing next to a menorah. When I walked by, he saw me and wished me a happy Hanukkah. I was baffled because I couldn't understand why he would assume that I would celebrate Hanukkah, and also I felt uncomfortable. So I just said, "same to you" because I didn't know what else to say. I could imagine what a non-Christian thinks when someone says Merry Christmas. It is like saying to them, you must be like me!
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I hope you all stop saying "bless you" to someone who sneezes then
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:49 PM   #63
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I hope you all stop saying "bless you" to someone who sneezes then
What else can we say? Gesundheit (sp?) or salud?

ETA: I did see an atheist get upset when someone did that to him. He made a big stink about it.
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What else can we say? Gesundheit (sp?) or salud?

ETA: I did see an atheist get upset when someone did that to him. He made a big stink about it.
Gesundheit? Ew! DO I LOOK GERMAN TO YOU!?!?!



My point is just, if someone were to say happy Hanukkah to me, I'd just smile and say it back. It's nothing to be offended about. If anything, it's nice to see someone excited about their holiday and spreading the good feelings around.

The atheist who got mad is what you would call "an asshole"
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LOL True. In college I loved going to the Hillel Hanukkah celebration, then next door to the Catholic Center Christmas party with spiked egg nog. Though my favorite party was the Purim party.
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I guess what confused me about that guy wishing me a Happy Hanukkah was that Jewish people don't like it when others assume they're Christian and wish them a Merry Christmas, so why was he basically doing the same to me?

If I were invited to a Hanukkah celebration, I wouldn't mind. I'd like to see a Seder dinner because I heard it is moving. I do like it when people respect each other's beliefs and don't roll their eyes or anything. In grad school, the head of IT was a Hindu but she wished us the best for Christmas, Hannukkah, Easter, and Ramadan - whatever we celebrated. Everyone should do that.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:44 PM   #68
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of course this was on the internet, so it could be phoney

but we are talking about religion, so that does not necessarily disqualify it
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:46 PM   #69
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I gotta say, I like the "new deep". Throws in a couple zingers every now and then
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I always say "Happy holidays" at where I work too just because customers can be snippy enough as it is around that time, so I'd mainly just like to avoid any potential headaches and complaints as a result. But if someone does say "Merry Christmas" to me, then of course I'd say it back.

I've never had anyone wish me a happy Hanukkah, but if someone did, I'm with JT, I'd just say, "Thanks!" and let it be. Given how stressful the holiday season can be on people, it's nice when someone takes a moment out of their day to wish you well. Getting hung up on what holiday they mention seems to totally miss the point of that time of year in general, I think.

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Whenever I hear Hanukkah I always think of that song that we were taught at school during music. It goes a little like this:

Hanukkah
Holiday
Festival of Ice
Candles burning
Brightly Burning
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Hopefully you mean "festival of lights", unless Hanukkah has changed to a holiday celebrated exclusively by Cobbler's friends in Australia.
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I'm with JT, Christmas = secular. I "celebrate" Christmas but don't do anything remotely religious.
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Anyone who is enough of an asshole to get up in arms when receiving a greeting doesn't deserve a happy anything.
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When people sneeze, I say "Merry Christmas."
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Anyone who is enough of an asshole to get up in arms when receiving a greeting doesn't deserve a happy anything.
Should we accept people's rights to wish their personal preferences upon us?

At memorial services should I feel compelled to say to someone what they want to hear?

I can just tell them, "Be assured your loved one is at the true peace of nothingness that awaits us all."
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Old 01-31-2013, 04:17 PM   #77
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Context is a notion used in the language sciences (linguistics, sociolinguistics, systemic functional linguistics, discourse analysis, pragmatics, semiotics, etc.) in two different ways, namely as

verbal context
social context

Contents

1 Verbal context
2 Social context
3 Multidisciplinary theory
4 Influence
5 References

Verbal context

Verbal context refers to surrounding text or talk of an expression (word, sentence, conversational turn, speech act, etc.). The idea is that verbal context influences the way we understand the expression. Hence the norm not to cite people out of context. Since much contemporary linguistics takes texts, discourses or conversations as its object of analysis, the modern study of verbal context takes place in terms of the analysis of discourse structures and their mutual relationships, for instance the coherence relation between sentences.
Social context

Traditionally, in sociolinguistics, social contexts were defined in terms of objective social variables, such as those of class, gender or race. More recently, social contexts tend to be defined in terms of the social identity being construed and displayed in text and talk by language users. Influenced by space.
Multidisciplinary theory

In his new multidisciplinary theory of context, Teun A. van Dijk rejects objectivist concepts of social context and shows that relevant properties of social situations can only influence language use as subjective definitions of the situation by the participants, as represented and ongoingly updated in specific mental models of language users: context models.
Influence

The influence of context parameters on language use or discourse is usually studied in terms of language variation, style or register (see Stylistics). The basic assumption here is that language users adapt the properties of their language use (such as intonation, lexical choice, syntax, and other aspects of formulation) to the current communicative situation. In this sense, language use or discourse may be called more or less 'appropriate' in a given context. It is the language or derigitave terms surrounding set paragraph, novel or article.
References

De Fina, A., Schiffrin, D., & Bamberg, M. (Eds.). (2006). Discourse and identity. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
Duranti, A., & Goodwin, C. (Eds.). (1992). Rethinking context. Language as an interactive phenomenon. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
Eckert, P., & Rickford, J. R. (2001). Style and sociolinguistic variation. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press.
Fetzer, A. (2004). Recontextualizing context. Amsterdam: John Benjamins.
Ghadessy, M. (Ed.). (1999). Text and context in functional linguistics. Amsterdam: John Benjamins.
Givón, Talmy. (2005). Context as Other Minds. Amsterdam: John Benjamins.
William Labov (1972). Sociolinguistic patterns. Philadelphia, PA: University of Pennsylvania Press.
Leckie-Tarry, H. (1995). Language & context. A functional linguistic theory of register. London: Pinter Publishers.
Stalnaker, Robert Culp (1999). Context and content. Oxford: Oxford University Press.
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we can think it's not a big deal because it isn't a big deal to us ... but i have a hunch being a non-Christian (and not just agnostic/atheist) and being told to have a Merry Christmas is a little bit exhausting similar to how i feel when people sometimes ask me point blank if i'm married.

it's like, this is a reasonable question if you are a married or potentially unmarried heterosexual, but when you are a long-term partnered homosexual living in a state that does not yet have marriage equality, you are reminded, just a little bit, that you're different, and oh fun, do i get to do a little coming out or expend the energy to dodge the question? do i care? and then, why do i have to even think about this?

just say "happy holidays" if you want to know if i'm married.
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I'm not saying the choice of greeting a total stranger uses in passing isn't a big deal to some people.

I'm saying it shouldn't be.

If you choose to expend energy feeling any degree of negativity toward a total stranger for sending out a positive greeting toward you, your priorities are terrible.

And, for you, being asked if you're married stirs up negative associations because of the limitations society places on you in accordance with your sexual orientation. Your reaction makes sense. I don't see how it applies though. Christmas does not limit your freedom.

Playing the numbers game, I've also known far more people who find "happy holidays" patronizing than "merry Christmas" offensive.
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And, for you, being asked if you're married stirs up negative associations because of the limitations society places on you in accordance with your sexual orientation. Your reaction makes sense. I don't see how it applies though. Christmas does not limit your freedom.

nor does asking if i'm married limit my freedom -- it just reminds me that i'm different.

there are far, far, far worse offenses in the world. but i don't see anything wrong with taking a moment to consider the feelings of others and moderating our assumptions and taking a more inclusive path with our words.




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Playing the numbers game, I've also known far more people who find "happy holidays" patronizing than "merry Christmas" offensive.
why patronizing?
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