The God Questions

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by Kieran McConville

Well actually you can prove that dragons and leprechauns don't exist. These kind of examples that get thrown out are just flippant. They're mythical creatures (emphasis on creatures), they don't exist, they never existed in any literal sense. If they did exist they would exist as flesh and blood and it's relatively easy to take a look around and see that, nope, they aren't there (setting aside the difficulties of keeping track of species with very few members).

God is a very different proposition.

You can't prove that they never existed. There are millions of creatures that have existed on Earth that we haven't yet, or possibly never will, find evidence for. The example stands. I can change it to Thor if it makes you feel better.

"They're mythical, they don't exist, they never existed in any literal sense."

I don't know how this is relevant. Every other god except yours would fall into this category too, no?

[Kieran McConville]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

You can't prove that they never existed. There are millions of creatures that have existed on Earth that we haven't yet, or possibly never will, find evidence for. The example stands. I can change it to Thor if it makes you feel better.

It doesn't make me feel better, actually.

yeah ok, but let's say for the sake of argument that dragons would be a little harder to miss than some of this earth's myriad weird species. Except as an analogue for dinosaurs, we can be... fairly sure they don't exist. And if we can't we can keep looking.

"They're mythical, they don't exist, they never existed in any literal sense."

I don't know how this is relevant. Every other god except yours would fall into this category too, no?

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[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by Kieran McConville

It doesn't make me feel better, actually.

yeah ok, but let's say for the sake of argument that dragons would be a little harder to miss than some of this earth's myriad weird species. Except as an analogue for dinosaurs, we can be... fairly sure they don't exist. And if we can't we can keep looking.

Most dead animals don't fossilize. There are countless animals that once lived that we'll never know about. I do like that we're suddenly so interested in solid proof of existence though. But now we're getting way off topic

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Hmmmm. Interesting point

[LemonMelon]

Jive must have been forced to go to the shittiest church ever as a kid.

[Jive Turkey]

No, sir. Family of heathens

[IWasBored]

I can't prove it doesn't exist doesn't mean that it des exist, when I also can't prove it does exist, so why is this even relevant anyway?

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by IWasBored

I can't prove it doesn't exist doesn't mean that it des exist, when I also can't prove it does exist, so why is this even relevant anyway?

God and Jesus and Dragons and such

[BEAL]

Santa may exist. You can't prove he doesn't.

Asking someone to prove something doesn't exist is not a real logical argument to prove something does exist.

[IWasBored]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

God and Jesus and Dragons and such

Jesus was a dragon, duh.

[anitram]

These back and forth conversations here are a very good example of why I have long described myself as an agnostic.

I have no idea what is out there. Is it possible that there is a higher power directing everything, whether actively or passively? Sure. Do I have proof of it? No. Do I think anyone has proven it one way or another? No. Do I think it's possible to prove? Honestly, no.

And I am happy living with this view. Some people will say that it's akin to fence-sitting, but to me it's just an expression of very honest thought and feeling. I don't know and it doesn't bother me. I don't believe that knowing, one way or another, impacts how we should live our short lives on this planet - honestly, honourably and hopefully happily.

[LemonMelon]

I can't imagine anyone who has been on the internet long enough to navigate beyond the google homepage could still be interested in debating whether or not God exists. "Why is sky" and "shuwh wyeyru wmcsmcn72763" are equally viable questions to discuss, and nowhere near as divisive.

[IWasBored]

Originally Posted by LemonMelon

"shuwh wyeyru wmcsmcn72763" .

I don't know, I could see that causing some really heated debates on Facebook. The kind that destroys friendships.

[LemonMelon]

The nation is crumbling because of that asshole wmcsmcn72763 and his socialist shuwh politics!!

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[anitram]

Originally Posted by LemonMelon

I can't imagine anyone who has been on the internet long enough to navigate beyond the google homepage could still be interested in debating whether or not God exists. "Why is sky" and "shuwh wyeyru wmcsmcn72763" are equally viable questions to discuss, and nowhere near as divisive.

I never used to debate this topic (pointless and mostly uninteresting) but I did spend a lot of my time when I was younger, in my early 20s (seems so long ago), wondering about whether God exists, in what form, what happens to us after we die. Particularly the last one - that was the time when my grandparents started to die and so I think it made the question more real than it had previously been.

Now, I never wonder those things anymore. I have found a great peace in not wondering and just living my life as best as I possibly can. I found that when I mentally divorced religion from morality and salvation from good citizenry, it was wonderfully liberating.

[IWasBored]

Originally Posted by LemonMelon

The nation is crumbling because of that asshole wmcsmcn72763 and his socialist shuwh politics!!

SHARE THIS IF YOU AGREE

If wmcsmcn72763 can get a million likes by next week, he will be able to prove that Jesus was a dragon!

[Cactus Annie]

Originally Posted by IWasBored

Dammit, I'm still on my phone and can't type that fast.

Annie needs to come back and tell me how politics, not religion, were responsible for various genocides throughout history. Stalin-era Russia is the only example of mass murder I can think of that was not entirely a result of introducing fear and/or hatred of another religion into politics.

The first world war was after the assassination of the Austrian Archduke in Sarajevo and was caused by increased conflict between kingdoms within Europe. The second world War was caused by the great depression and anger within Germany after what happened after the first War. There was some scary scenes in Greece with an extreme right-wing political party rising to power after the country's economy collapsed.

It's far too simplistic to suggest that one factor alone was the single cause of an outbreak of war.

[Jive Turkey]

Well hold on though. No one is trying to convert anyone. It was purely about whether you could make a logical argument for God

[IWasBored]

Originally Posted by Cactus Annie

The first world war was after the assassination of the Austrian Archduke in Sarajevo and was caused by increased conflict between kingdoms within Europe. The second world War was caused by the great depression and anger within Germany after what happened after the first War. There was some scary scenes in Greece with an extreme right-wing political party rising to power after the country's economy collapsed.

It's far too simplistic to suggest that one factor alone was the single cause of an outbreak of war.

As it's also too simplistic to call it all politics. I didn't say religion, and only religion, was the cause of ever war.

[INDY500]

Undoing the damage of the University

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

What does this even mean?

Exactly.

And what is "scientism"? Is that a made up word for when one doesn't like the answers science gives?

Look it up.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Undoing the damage of the University

Exactly.

Look it up.

Is this math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better?