The Even Gayer than the Gay thread

[bobsaget77]

Originally Posted by BVS

Those are pretty crappy interpretations, the term "homosexuality" does not show up in any of the original languages used in the original text.

And the first needs context; it's not about the acts but the free for all that took place.


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Glad that someone who is not a believer is telling me how to interpret scripture. Thanks for that wonderfully, uneducated advice once again. Where would we all be without BVS incredible knowledge.


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[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

Glad that someone who is not a believer is telling me how to interpret scripture. Thanks for that wonderfully, uneducated advice once again. Where would we all be without BVS incredible knowledge.


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So, because you believe in God, your English comprehension skills are better than his? Okay...

[BVS]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

Glad that someone who is not a believer is telling me how to interpret scripture. Thanks for that wonderfully, uneducated advice once again. Where would we all be without BVS incredible knowledge.


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Wow, that's a grossly misinformed assumption.

I've studied the bible for more than 30 years, taught the bible, and have a true theologian in my family that I've spoke very extensively with about this subject.

Wow...


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[BoMac]

So we're basing interpretations on texts thousands of years old, a time when the people who wrote them had no real scientific understanding of the world, including that people are born gay?

OK.

[Galeongirl]

Sooo, does the bible only specifically refer to homosexuality between men as a sin then?

Originally Posted by BoMac

So we're basing interpretations on texts thousands of years old, a time when the people who wrote them had no real scientific understanding of the world, including that people are born gay?

OK.

Personally, I'm not putting any value in the science of a book written that long ago. I'm just trying to gain a bit of understanding why there are people who do and why they condemn me for it, especially with today's scientific knowledge. Sadly, I still don't seem to understand this though.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

Glad that someone who is not a believer

That's quite an assumption.

And the rest of your post was needlessly rude and hostile.

[bono_212]

Originally Posted by Galeongirl

Sooo, does the bible only specifically refer to homosexuality between men as a sin then?

Actually... Yes ...

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

Romans 1:25-26
"For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error.

I Corinthians 6:9-10
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."
And lastly, Jude 1:7 "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire."

Does this give Christians the right to hate homosexuals? Obviously not. But I think scripture paints a brutal, yet clear, image of not only homosexuality, but all unrepentant sin. Many will argue that homosexuality is worse than other sexual sins due to the fact that it is believed by many to be a perversion of God's plan and being contrary to nature. But this is not the time nor the place for that debate.

Those verses dont sound like they have anything to do with homosexuality at all. Not as I understand and experience it as a full human being in a decade-long relationship with someone of the same sex who has fully integrated homosexuality into his life in a way that's very similar to heterosexuality. I don't "practice" anything. I experience it as you do your life.

Do you really think these verses have anything to do with me?

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by bono_212

Actually... Yes ...

Paul was totally cool with some girl-on-girl action.

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Paul was totally cool with some girl-on-girl action.

This totally reminds me of that "Innocence of Muslims" film. Or, if we can even call it a film. Let me start by saying... that shit was hilarious.

The whole picking-and-choosing. I can see them deciding upon scripture in today's vernacular.

"Papal Figure: Ah, yes, and our religion won't have any of that frolicking, flower picking gay shit.

Cardinals: but, your holiness, what does God say about women?

Papal Figure: don't be absurd, Onofrio. "Gay" applies to men, only. God is down with a little girl-on-girl action, if you know what I mean. But none of that butch bullshit! God still expects them to act like ladies."

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

But I think scripture paints a brutal, yet clear, image of not only homosexuality, but all unrepentant sin. Many will argue that homosexuality is worse than other sexual sins due to the fact that it is believed by many to be a perversion of God's plan and being contrary to nature. But this is not the time nor the place for that debate.

Well, good thing we don't base our laws on what the Bible says, then, right?

I don't consider homosexuality sinful in the first place, so reading all those quotes you shared makes me do nothing more than shrug and go, "Yeah, and?"

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel

Well, good thing we don't base our laws on what the Bible says, then, right?



I don't consider homosexuality sinful in the first place, so reading all those quotes you shared makes me do nothing more than shrug and go, "Yeah, and?"

You don't get to determine what the bible says is and isn't a sin.

Bob Saget does.

[Galeongirl]

Originally Posted by bono_212

Actually... Yes ...

Sweet! I'm off the hook then!

Though I do recall something about not lying with both men and women in the same way, which could be a slight problem... but still. if I give up the dudes I'm pretty much free of Christian hate then.

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Paul was totally cool with some girl-on-girl action.

Who isn't?

[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

You don't get to determine what the bible says is and isn't a sin.

Bob Saget does.

Bob Saget is not a good Christian man

http://youtu.be/0HW4mPZmKPM


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[LuckyNumber7]

I call sin by association.

[Irvine511]

yep.

Teen suicide attempts fell as same-sex marriage became legal

CHICAGO (AP) — Teen suicide attempts in the U.S. declined after same-sex marriage became legal and the biggest impact was among gay, lesbian and bisexual kids, a study found.

The research found declines in states that passed laws allowing gays to marry before the Supreme Court made it legal nationwide. The results don't prove there's a connection, but researchers said policymakers should be aware of the measures' potential benefits for youth mental health.

Suicide is the second-leading cause of death for all U.S. teens. Suicidal behavior is much more common among gay, lesbian and bisexual kids and adults; about 29 percent of these teens in the study reported attempting suicide, compared with just 6 percent of straight teens.

Laws that have the greatest impact on gay adults may make gay kids feel "more hopeful for the future," said lead author Julia Raifman, a researcher at Johns Hopkins' Bloomberg School of Public Health.

The measures also could create more tolerance and less bullying, making these teens feel less stigmatized. Those effects could also benefit straight teens but more research is needed to determine how the laws might influence teen behavior, Raifman said.

The study was published Monday in JAMA Pediatrics .

The researchers analyzed data on more than 700,000 public high school students who participated in government surveys on risky youth behavior from 1999 through 2015, the year the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage.

About 230,000 students reported being gay, lesbian or bisexual. The surveys didn't ask about transgender status. They included questions about suicide attempts, smoking and alcohol or drug use.

In 32 states that enacted same-sex marriage laws during the study, suicide attempts dropped 7 percent among all students and 14 percent among gay kids after the laws were passed. There was no change in suicide attempts in states without those laws.

The study only included suicide attempts, not deaths.

The new work makes an important contribution to identifying how laws limiting gay rights may affect psychological and physical health, said Columbia University public health researcher Mark Hatzenbuehler.

But more research is needed to determine which teens are most vulnerable to policies that limit gay rights, he wrote in an accompanying editorial.

https://apnews.com/46e523cd23f84f549...&utm_medium=AP

[Moonlit_Angel]

Hooray, Germany !

German lawmakers vote to legalize same-sex marriage - CNN.com

[Irvine511]

Good job Germany.

Our nation turns it's lonely eyes to you to lead the free world.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

@chucklindell: BREAKING: Texas Supreme Court denies there is a de facto right to govt benefits in same-sex marriage. Appeal certain. #txlege

[BoMac]

Welcome to the right side of history, Australia. 👍