Terrorism in Oslo

[maycocksean]

Never one to miss an opportunity to sneer at those pansy Europeans, huh. . .

[INDY500]

Actually I never miss an opportunity to advance the death penalty as a just, moral and final punishment in certain cases.

[BEAL]

Why do you feel it's moral to kill someone? I think murder is wrong no matter what the situation. Of course my emotions can make me feel like someone should be killed (especially if someone I love has been hurt or taken). But I figured a biblical person as yourself would see killing in any form to be immoral.

Tough to be told killing is wrong in a state society when the state can do the very thing we're told not to

[Pearl]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Actually I never miss an opportunity to advance the death penalty as a just, moral and final punishment in certain cases.

Erm...this is Norway and they have their own laws. I doubt very much any Norwegian would appreciate it if someone from another country told them how to govern themselves.

I just think as an American, you should bring up an American case to discuss the death penalty.

[Moonlit_Angel]

I still find it amusing how someone who's often so worried about instances where any government can wield too much power seems to be totally okay with the idea of that same governement being in the business of killing people, if not on a regular basis, then every so often. Call me crazy, but I'd say that's a pretty big use of power, and one that's not without its share of imperfect moments, to put it mildly.

Originally Posted by anitram

He didn't really get 21 years - that is simply the maximum permissible under Norwegian law with the stipulation that the sentence can be extended indefinitely if he is considered to be an ongoing danger to society. It's essentially a life sentence with mandatory parole consideration at 21 yrs.

If that's the case, then that's fine with me. Let him sit there and be denied his chance to ever walk free again.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Actually I never miss an opportunity to advance the death penalty as a just, moral and final punishment in certain cases.

Lots of dead, innocent, poor people agree with you on that final part.

[INDY500]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Lots of dead, innocent, poor people agree with you on that final part.

You're talking about the victims of executed killers I presume.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by INDY500

You're talking about the victims of executed killers I presume.

Yes, because everyone believes the government should facilitate bloodlust regardless of the fallibility of the justice system.

[cobl04]

I agree with INDY that I'd have liked to see Breivik put to death. But obviously that punishment is not available in Norway, which is fine, but let's hope in 21 years that gets extended indefinitely.

Not sure how a man who goes on a murderous rampage fueled by extreme right-wing propaganda can be called sane though.

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Actually I never miss an opportunity to advance the death penalty as a just, moral and final punishment in certain cases.

How well is that working out for you guys, by the way?

[digitize]

Originally Posted by cobl04

Not sure how a man who goes on a murderous rampage fueled by extreme right-wing propaganda can be called sane though.

Is any mass murder sane? Is any criminal sane? Does doing something that will inevitably lead to a miserable punishment while not accomplishing any goals towards one's objective count as insanity? Is neo-fascism inherently bent towards insanity?

[cobl04]

I was probably playing Pokemon at your age digi.

[Pearl]

Originally Posted by digitize

Is any mass murder sane? Is any criminal sane? Does doing something that will inevitably lead to a miserable punishment while not accomplishing any goals towards one's objective count as insanity? Is neo-fascism inherently bent towards insanity?

I think Breivik is not biologically insane, as in schizophrenic. But I do believe his hatred for immigrants and Muslims made him lose all rational and thus his sanity.

Your question, digitize, does make me wonder how we should truly define sanity. I would say Breivik certainly lost his empathy for others as he lost rationale. Does being empathetic equal sanity? If so, we all suffer from insanity to some degree and at one point.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Did anyone read the GQ article, I think it was in last month's issue, with the eyewitness accounts from the survivors? I started it but I couldn't finish it, it was just too much for me to handle.

[The Sad Punk]

Originally Posted by INDY500

death penalty
just
moral

Ah, you're a doll.

[digitize]

Originally Posted by Pearl

I think Breivik is not biologically insane, as in schizophrenic. But I do believe his hatred for immigrants and Muslims made him lose all rational and thus his sanity.

Your question, digitize, does make me wonder how we should truly define sanity. I would say Breivik certainly lost his empathy for others as he lost rationale. Does being empathetic equal sanity? If so, we all suffer from insanity to some degree and at one point.

That's basically the broad question I was thinking about too.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by INDY500

Actually I never miss an opportunity to advance the death penalty as a just, moral and final punishment in certain cases.

Final? Yes.

Just and moral? I find this to be an absolutely abhorrent view, one that would be almost impossible to justify using the Christian faith or logic and reasoning. Revenge is the only thing driving such a view.

[anitram]

List of exonerated death row inmates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by BVS

Final? Yes.

Just and moral? I find this to be an absolutely abhorrent view, one that would be almost impossible to justify using the Christian faith or logic and reasoning. Revenge is the only thing driving such a view.

Amazing how they're hardliners when it comes to homosexuality and marriage, but never follow Jesus when it comes to this

[Jive Turkey]

Originally Posted by anitram

List of exonerated death row inmates - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is so fucked up