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It's quite interesting how those two psychiatric tests both came out with quite different results. He himself claims he's not insane. He wants to go to jail. So that sounds pretty insane to me. |
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If that's not insanity, I don't know what is.
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It sure sounds like it.
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Anders Breivik: 40,000 Norwegians mock killer with 'Marxist' song, with video
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Norway's response to Breivik and his crime has been truly admirable. No mob mentality, just a clear, civilized response that allows Breivik his rantings and then proves him wrong at every step.
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One of our biggest newspaper, VG, had a huge photo of Breivik on the front-page which was covered with the words "Look at me" over and over. This only tells me that VG has no serious standard left, no better than The Daily Mail. ![]() The singing started after Breivik had criticized the song, it seemed like the singing was more an act of "he provoked us, let's provoke back." I feel safe in a socialist society and vote AP but I have no problem understanding the frustration of right-wings now that their opinions are being seen as less legit after ABB. |
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Socialist is a curse word for many right-wings here, just like the word "conservative" is for me. I wouldn't use the term on every right-wing though. A US resident friend of mine said there's hardly any difference between a liberal and a conservative. ![]() |
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Haha, that's unsurprisingly crazy and silly. It's a shame that many people are unable to make a distinction from say, socialism and social-democracy.
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As I said, from what I learned the word "socialism" can be used as a umbrella-term, there are variations of political views under that term.
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Well, a socialist wants to overcome capitalism, while a social-democrat dreams of making capitalism more fair for everyone.
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![]() Can this be called fair? Good thing is that it keeps a lot of people employed. On the other hand, in an attempt to protect local producers the import-tax is a killer. No good for Norwegian customers that doesn't always find what they're looking for among Norwegian products. This thread has lost it's track. The worst news about ABB these days is that he's able to have contact with others who have the same mindset. ![]() Why on earth is he allowed that?! It's disturbing. |
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Yes, it leads away from the topic, so just in short: What is fair is a very philosophical question and one social-democrats, just as anyone, have often struggled with. And subsidies and protection of industries are common aspects of economic policy.
I guess they are trying to maintain the same rights for him as for anyone else. Which sometimes is a bit hard to swallow. And maybe a little risky as well. |
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Bit of a sideshow but
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I can't see that Breivik fits the character of a paranoid schizophrenic - probably more likely a sociopath - whether sociopaths are necessarily insane is debatable.
You know, it's not an extremist point of view to find the idea of political summer school camps for teenagers, frankly, vaguely creepy. It's not extremist to have reservations about mass immigration from Muslim countries into Europe. If holding such points of view makes one by default an extremist, I'm probably a neo-Nazi myself. But the thing about Breivik is that his actions were so totally and utterly disproportionate to his perceived grievances that we must venture into the domain of psychopathology to seek to explain them. From an interview with the author JG Ballard a few years ago: Quote:
Applying this to Breivik's actions, looking for a motive or explanation outside of psychopathology is rather pointless. Sure, he has provided his 'rationale', such as it is, but that is surely just a delusion he has invented to explain to himself what he has done. He committed those appalling acts simply because he could, no more and no less, and he wasn't destined for any greatness or notoriety in any other sphere of life than terrorism. |
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Norway killer Anders Breivik ruled sane, given 21-year prison term - CNN.com
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He didn't really get 21 years - that is simply the maximum permissible under Norwegian law with the stipulation that the sentence can be extended indefinitely if he is considered to be an ongoing danger to society. It's essentially a life sentence with mandatory parole consideration at 21 yrs.
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Maybe, but I bet I'm more confident that Tim McVeigh will never again walk the earth as a free man than you are that Anders Breivik will never leave
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