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Old 01-18-2013, 11:24 AM   #21
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She should have stayed in porn. Porn actresses make an average of $300K per year plus bonuses whereas teachers earn less than $50K per year.
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I'm curious where employers draw the line at what is deemed "acceptable/ wholesome" types of previous employment in regards to nudity for mass consumption. What if she worked as a stripper to pay her way through college - would that also merit a firing? Or a life model for fine art classes? You could argue nude portraits are essentially a form of pornography, but is deemed to be of the tasteful variety and thus acceptable. I can understand why she was fired, but what exactly constitutes as indecency in the minds of employers can vary to a large degree.
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She should have stayed in porn. Porn actresses make an average of $300K per year plus bonuses whereas teachers earn less than $50K per year.
Not like that anymore. Louis Theroux wrote an outstanding article on the topic - How the internet killed porn | Culture | The Guardian
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I just don't get what's wrong with appearing in a sexual film in the past. This is another one of those societal issues. It is not a decision I would make, but it's not something I would fire another person over. What, is she going to give the children STDs? I think this is another way school systems and parents try to go and pretend that porn isn't a thing even though statistically most of them probably watch it.

The only reasoning I can find behind this that even has a chance at being justifiable is if it was becoming a distraction in the classroom, and even then, I'd just transfer her to a different school. Otherwise, this whole thing just reeks of "you had sex and there is evidence of this, and that is not okay, since your sex life is totally a subject of conversation in the classroom when you're teaching".
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I agree, though I do see where the school is coming from. Depending on the reaction of students and fellow teachers her position could become untenable.
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Otherwise, this whole thing just reeks of "you had sex and there is evidence of this, and that is not okay, since your sex life is totally a subject of conversation in the classroom when you're teaching".
I think it's a little more than that. This wasn't a sex tape that she made with her boyfriend that got leaked out on the internet. This is "you got paid to have sex with strangers and there is evidence of this", now how exactly do you explain that to your middle school daughter? Yes Abby you may have seen some disturbing images of men doing strange things with your math teacher's face, but she doesn't do that anymore so please look up to her as a role model. I don't really see that flying over so well with many 7th graders.
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I think it's a little more than that. This wasn't a sex tape that she made with her boyfriend that got leaked out on the internet. This is "you got paid to have sex with strangers and there is evidence of this", now how exactly do you explain that to your middle school daughter? Yes Abby you may have seen some disturbing images of men doing strange things with your math teacher's face, but she doesn't do that anymore so please look up to her as a role model. I don't really see that flying over so well with many 7th graders.
Middle schoolers are not so naive that they don't know exactly what's going on in the video. Most middle schoolers I know, though I hate to say it, know exactly what porn is and some are even regular watchers of it. Huge reality check here, many grade schoolers have seen porn. Any parent who tries to pretend that their fourteen-year-old kid is some innocent corruptible who is traumatized by the images of her teacher engaging in oral sex is delusional. Unless they happen to be one of the lucky, rare few who have golden-star children that never deviate or get curious or listen to their peers.

I think it's easy to explain, and teachers aren't supposed to be role models. They are supposed to teach. I never once tried to emulate my teachers or view them as aspiring material. For one, I'd actually try paying some attention to what my kids were doing on the internet if I cared so much about porn, and for another, it can easily be explained as a personal decision she made.

"Some people try to make extra money by doing things on camera that they wouldn't normally do, and that is what your teacher did. Some people are more open about sex than others, while some will do these things because they're desperate. It's important to know that you never need to do something like that for money, you always have your family here. She made that decision in the past in a tight spot. I hope you will always make good choices that won't come to bite you in the butt years later, but know that she is clearly working hard to be a good role model now."

Edit in: I teach horseback riding lessons now and spend my days in the barn around kids of various ages and overhearing their conversations. Most of their parents would be morbidly shocked if they found out some of the things their kids knew about. Kids are not stupid. In these days with the internet it's a lot easier to find this stuff.
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Hey, look! A woman is being shamed for daring to display her sexuality! That never happens anymore.

(I know it's not really black or white, I do agree with some of what's being said, but I also agree with iYup just above me here. And while this was my gut reaction, I can't honestly say that the same thing wouldn't have happened had it been a male teacher.)
This is a ridiculous statement, Cori, I'm sorry. I understand you getting up in arms about topics sorta like this and I understand, but not this.

There is no way in hell they would let a male teacher with the same background teach either, in fact, I almost feel like that would go over far worse.

Seriously, think about what the situation here is: Your teacher was in porn. You're 12 (not even this situation, let's say it was a male teacher), and this being the internet age, you find out they were in a porn film...do you really really think this isn't going to impact your schooling?

In other jobs, this isn't going to be a factor, but the ability for students to learn is her job, and this seems like a huge topic of conversation to rebound from and get the kids attention focused on the task at hand.

That's just me.
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That's why I put that addendum second-thought bit in there. I know that. But it was one of the reactions I had, and felt like sharing it. (And in case it wasn't clear, I was trying to say that it WOULD happen if it were a man as well.)
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Middle schoolers are not so naive that they don't know exactly what's going on in the video. Most middle schoolers I know, though I hate to say it, know exactly what porn is and some are even regular watchers of it.

I think it's easy to explain, and teachers aren't supposed to be role models. They are supposed to teach. I never once tried to emulate my teachers or view them as aspiring material. For one, I'd actually try paying some attention to what my kids were doing on the internet if I cared so much about porn, and for another, it can easily be explained as a personal decision she made.

"Some people try to make extra money by doing things on camera that they wouldn't normally do, and that is what your teacher did. Some people are more open about sex than others, while some will do these things because they're desperate. It's important to know that you never need to do something like that for money, you always have your family here. She made that decision in the past in a tight spot. I hope you will always make good choices that won't come to bite you in the butt years later, but know that she is clearly working hard to be a good role model now."
Are you kidding me? A teacher is definitely a role model. In fact, by the end of your post, you're saying that she should be a role model. I spent more time with my teachers in elementary school than I did with my own parents a lot of the time, they definitely impacted how I lived my life and what I did with it. I changed the entire direction of what I went to college for because of one of my teachers.

Again this issue comes back, for me, to the age factor. These are 11-13 year old boys and girls, and let's face it, the boy's ages are especially important here. You never had a crush on one of your teachers? Now what if you could go home every night and watch him/her have sex and there was no repercussion for it? It's just not condusive to a successful learning environment.
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That's why I put that addendum second-thought bit in there. I know that. But it was one of the reactions I had, and felt like sharing it.
Oh Jesus, I read your comment wrong, I'm sorry. I thought you were saying it wouldn't have happened if it were a male teacher. Damn double negatives.
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No, it's fine. It just occurred to me that you had misread that part of it, and I just went and edited my last post as well.
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No, it's fine. It just occurred to me that you had misread that part of it, and I just went and edited my last post as well.
Yeah, we're all clear here now. My mistake on that one. Reading comprehension skills = The Best. Thanks, 2nd grade!
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Now what if you could go home every night and watch him/her have sex and there was no repercussion for it? It's just not condusive to a successful learning environment.
Whilst I don't think I even knew what porn was when I was 12, this is an important point. There was one teacher I had a massive crush on and if she had been in a porn movie I'm sure I probably would have watched it, and you're completely right, that is not conducive to a learning environment, and that's what I'm talking about when I say it could make the teacher's position untenable.

What do you guys think of this story? The journo copped a lot of shit for writing it. Explicit tweeter quits classroom
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Are you kidding me? A teacher is definitely a role model. In fact, by the end of your post, you're saying that she should be a role model. I spent more time with my teachers in elementary school than I did with my own parents a lot of the time, they definitely impacted how I lived my life and what I did with it. I changed the entire direction of what I went to college for because of one of my teachers.
This isn't elementary school. This is middle school, and this is ONE teacher for ONE subject who spends 40 minutes with those students a day talking about science. I'm not being contradictory in my post either by meaning one thing and saying another to a kid.

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Again this issue comes back, for me, to the age factor. These are 11-13 year old boys and girls, and let's face it, the boy's ages are especially important here. You never had a crush on one of your teachers? Now what if you could go home every night and watch him/her have sex and there was no repercussion for it? It's just not condusive to a successful learning environment.
You think boys don't go home and masturbate with their imagination, picturing the teacher naked anyway? What difference does it make if they have a photo or not? That's the parents job. Middle school is 11-14. If you think those boys weren't picturing the teacher naked in the first place, you're mistaken. Back in my middle school days my guy friends used to talk constantly about wanting to see one of our teachers naked. Middle school boys can be graphic, disgusting animals sometimes. I don't believe it's any more distracting in the classroom just because they had "proof". It's the kid's parents job to discipline them or make sure they don't watch porn, not the porn star's for happening to know those kids in person. And let's say the parents couldn't stop them, or didn't care, how exactly would them watching somebody else have sex (something they're probably already doing--just with people they don't know) have any impediment on your development or progress in science class?

My point is, boys are distracted as it is and I don't see how this makes it worse because it was already in their minds.

And again, I hate to bring up the subject of these kids masturbating but it does happen. And kids watching porn happens even more often than that. We keep pretending that this isn't already a thing when it is.
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My point is, boys are distracted as it is and I don't see how this makes it worse because it was already in their minds.
Um, no, imagining someone naked and having to face them after you've watched them in a pornographic film are two very different things.
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Middle schoolers are not so naive that they don't know exactly what's going on in the video. Most middle schoolers I know, though I hate to say it, know exactly what porn is and some are even regular watchers of it. Huge reality check here, many grade schoolers have seen porn. Any parent who tries to pretend that their fourteen-year-old kid is some innocent corruptible who is traumatized by the images of her teacher engaging in oral sex is delusional. Unless they happen to be one of the lucky, rare few who have golden-star children that never deviate or get curious or listen to their peers.
I think you're missing the point. This isn't about if the children know what porn is, children in middle school regardless of how much they think they know are just now going through that developmental stage. So even the most "experienced" of middle schoolers are confused about sex, and porn is not real sex so to think that middle school age children wouldn't be affected by this is quite delusional in itself.

And btw I wasn't just talking about "engaging in oral sex".


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I think it's easy to explain, and teachers aren't supposed to be role models. They are supposed to teach. I never once tried to emulate my teachers or view them as aspiring material. For one, I'd actually try paying some attention to what my kids were doing on the internet if I cared so much about porn, and for another, it can easily be explained as a personal decision she made.
Teachers aren't supposed to be role models? In what world?
When you get a little older and have a child yourself, niece, godson, etc. then tell me how EASY that conversation would be.

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"Some people try to make extra money by doing things on camera that they wouldn't normally do, and that is what your teacher did. Some people are more open about sex than others, while some will do these things because they're desperate. It's important to know that you never need to do something like that for money, you always have your family here. She made that decision in the past in a tight spot. I hope you will always make good choices that won't come to bite you in the butt years later, but know that she is clearly working hard to be a good role model now."
So now she's a role model? I thought teachers weren't role models.

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Edit in: I teach horseback riding lessons now and spend my days in the barn around kids of various ages and overhearing their conversations. Most of their parents would be morbidly shocked if they found out some of the things their kids knew about. Kids are not stupid. In these days with the internet it's a lot easier to find this stuff.
Once again you are completely missing the point if you think this is about if the child knows about porn or not.
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BVS, did you not read her next post? Apparently that's somehow not a contradiction.
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You know what, I didn't... shame on me. I'm glad that's all cleared up now.
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