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Old 02-21-2011, 01:54 PM   #441
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If it's true that the mastectomy was the reason for the patdown, well I don't even know what to say about that. Any "irregularity" in the scan I guess. Way to go TSA.

(AP)SEATTLE — An Alaska state lawmaker is returning home by sea after refusing a pat-down search at a Seattle airport, a spokeswoman said.

Rep. Sharon Cissna underwent a body scan as she was preparing to leave Seattle-Tacoma International Airport Sunday and was then required to undergo the pat-down by Transportation Safety Administration officials, said Michelle Scannell, her chief of staff.

Scannell said that TSA called for the pat-down because the scan showed Cissna had had a mastectomy. But it wasn't immediately clear from statements by the lawmaker's office and TSA why that would necessitate the further search.

Scannell described the pat-down search as "intrusive" but did not elaborate on the Anchorage Democrat's decision.

TSA spokesman Kwika Riley was asked to respond to Cissna's comments when contacted by The Associated Press. But a general statement issued later did not mention her or her claims, saying the agency is "sensitive to the concerns of passengers who were not satisfied with their screening experience and we invite those individuals to provide feedback to TSA."

Both full body scanners and pat-down searches have come under increasing criticism as the TSA has stepped up its airport security measures.

Cissna, who had undergone medical treatment in Seattle, is traveling by ferry from Bellingham, Wash., to Juneau, Scannell said.
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Old 02-21-2011, 05:51 PM   #442
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Why wasn't she arrested for not completing the screening process?
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Old 04-13-2011, 12:29 PM   #443
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LOUISVILLE, Ky. — A Kentucky couple said Wednesday that they want the Transportation Security Administration to change how it screens children after their 6-year-old daughter was frisked at the New Orleans airport.

Selena Drexel told ABC's "Good Morning America" the family was returning home from a vacation earlier this month when their daughter Anna was selected for a pat-down.

The couple posted a video of the search on YouTube. It shows a TSA agent patting down the child and explaining the procedure to the girl and her parents. The screener says that she will use the back of her hands on sensitive areas and will "put my hand in the waistband."



The girl's father, Todd Drexel, says Anna was confused by the search and started crying afterward because she thought she'd done something wrong.

Selena Drexel says such searches are inappropriate for children because they're usually told not to let adults touch them in sensitive areas. She said she posted the video because she "had a very bad feeling that what happened was wrong."

In a statement, the Transportation Security Administration says the officer followed proper procedure but that the agency is reviewing its screening policies for "low-risk populations, such as young passengers." The statement says the agency is exploring ways to "move beyond a one-size fits all system."

TSA screeners are instructed to use a "modified" pat down for children 12 and younger, according to the agency's website.

A congressman whose subcommittee oversees national security issues said he was "personally outraged and disgusted" over the security pat-down.

"This conduct is in clear violation of TSA's explicit policy not to conduct thorough pat-downs on children under the age of 13," Rep. Jason Chaffetz, of Utah, chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Subcommittee on National Security, said in a statement Wednesday.

Jennifer Mitchell, a child safety advocate, said after viewing the YouTube video that the pat-down seemed "a little invasive."

"This is a hard issue because we have national security on one hand... and children's safety on the other," said Mitchell, co-president of Child Lures Prevention, a Shelburne, Vt., organization that works to prevent crimes against children.

Mitchell said she knows families who have declined to fly because they don't want their children frisked. She recommended that parents tell children before going to the airport that they may get a pat-down.

But children should be told "the only reason it would be allowed is the parents are right there, the clothes are not being removed, the parents are watching to make sure it's done ok," Mitchell said.

Martin Macpherson, the director of the London-based Coalition to Stop the Use of Child Soldiers, said he is not aware of instances when terrorists have used children as young as six in an attack.
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Old 04-13-2011, 03:07 PM   #444
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You'd think common sense would come into play at some point. That poor kid.
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Old 04-13-2011, 04:11 PM   #445
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I think either you're against the pat downs or not. Seems pointless to pat down the parents if their children are exempt. It wouldn't be the first or last time a parent has used their child as a mule of some sort. The hullabaloo over this video really blows my mind. A couple seconds of thought after the initial outrage and it makes perfect sense.
That said, I think the pat downs in general are ridiculous.
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Old 04-13-2011, 04:29 PM   #446
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I don't know if "drug test" means they were seeing if she were being used as a mule, or if it means something else, but a TSA representative has said this:

"TSA does not drug test air travelers. We screen passengers for dangerous weapons and explosives. I realize the mother of this little girl speculates that we're going to test her for drugs, but that couldn't be further from the truth."

So if it wasn't a drug test, then you were seeing if she had bombs strapped to her? The kid's wearing a snug shirt and snug leggings - anything bulging out of there would be pretty visible to anyone looking without touching, I'd say.
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Old 04-13-2011, 04:45 PM   #447
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I meant 'mule' in the sense of anything: drugs, weapons, whatever. If they're going to be screening people, it would seem a fairly large hole in the process if all you had to do was bring a kid along with you to hide stuff. It didn't have to be a bomb. Could've been a blade or what have you.
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Gotcha.
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Old 04-13-2011, 04:49 PM   #449
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Otherwise you'd get people like GAF adopting kids just so he can smuggle extra booze in from the Duty Free
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Old 04-13-2011, 04:59 PM   #450
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That was a regular, all-American kid.

Not a Muslim kid or some other minority. Of course Americans are upset.
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Old 04-13-2011, 05:51 PM   #451
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I meant 'mule' in the sense of anything: drugs, weapons, whatever. If they're going to be screening people, it would seem a fairly large hole in the process if all you had to do was bring a kid along with you to hide stuff. It didn't have to be a bomb. Could've been a blade or what have you.
Yeah, next thing you know people will bring their kids to a concert so they can get into the ellipse.

Oh, wait. Wrong thread. Wrong year. Oops.
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Old 04-14-2011, 04:41 AM   #452
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RE: TSA

The terrorist plan all along was to coerce Americans into becoming sexual offenders, molesters, and victims of their own fear and paranoia.
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Old 04-14-2011, 10:42 AM   #453
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If the TSA's explicit policy is to not conduct thorough pat-downs on children under the age of 13... that would appear to me to be a thorough pat down. The woman was in the child's waistband and on her chest. She told then she would put her hand in the waistband and be in "sensitive areas". Don't see what can be more thorough than that, based upon what we've already seen and read about since this pat down thing went into effect. Unless they're going to say that "thorough" would mean a strip search or a body cavity search
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Old 04-14-2011, 08:27 PM   #454
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You'd think common sense would come into play at some point. That poor kid.


Common sense would be refreshing.
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Old 06-27-2011, 10:09 AM   #455
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The Transportation Security Administration defended on Sunday the actions of its airport security officers at a northwest Florida airport after the agency came under criticism for requiring a 95-year-old woman to remove her adult diaper during a pat down.

The incident took place June 18 at Northwest Florida Regional Airport near Pensacola, Fla., while Jean Weber of Destin, Fla., escorted her mother, who suffers from leukemia, to Michigan to live with family members before moving into an assisted living facility, CNN reports.

"She had a blood transfusion the week before, just to bolster up her strength for this travel," Weber told CNN.

Weber didn't identify her mother to the cable news network.

While going through the airport's security checkpoint, a TSA officer performed a pat down on Weber's mother, Weber told CNN. After an officer felt something "suspicious" on her leg, Weber's mother was taken into a private room for further inspection. The officer then told Weber that her mother's Depend undergarment was soiled and prevented a complete pat down from being done. The officer asked for it to be removed, which Weber did in a restroom.

"It's something I couldn't imagine happening on American soil," Weber told the Panama City News-Herald Friday. "Here is my mother, 95 years old, 105 pounds, barely able to stand, and then this."

Weber told CNN her mother worked as a nurse for 65 years and "was very calm" during the inspection.

Weber told the News-Herald that she filed a complaint with the Department of Homeland Security soon after the incident. She talked with a department employee June 22, who told her that the security officers followed their procedures during the search. The TSA released a statement Sunday to CNN:

"While every person and item must be screened before entering the secure boarding area, TSA works with passengers to resolve security alarms in a respectful and sensitive manner," the federal agency said. "We have reviewed the circumstances involving this screening and determined that our officers acted professionally and according to proper procedure."

Earlier, Sari Koshetz, a spokeswoman for the Transportation Security Administration in Miami, told the News-Herald there was a reason why security procedures were the same for everyone.

"TSA cannot exempt any group from screening because we know from intelligence that there are terrorists out there that would then exploit that vulnerability," Koshetz told the newspaper.
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The TSA is just following orders. It's up to us, the reasonable American travelers to demand that this is enough and it's not making us any safer. I don't blame TSA employees for this stuff. I blame reactionary Americans who are too paranoid and too insecure themselves.

Terrorists will kill people. It will happen. It will probably happen on an American flight again at some point. We need to start to accept that death is a possibility in our everyday lives, by accident or on purpose. Bush (and I think Clinton, too) did an injustice to Americans by setting this "zero tolerance for terrorism deaths" standard. If you try to guaranty that no American dies by a terrorist's hand, 6-year-olds and 95-year-olds will be suspects in that kind of police state. I wish we were more mature as a country to accept some death.

Heaven help the first politician who tries to tell America some hard facts.
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TSA employees are in the same bucket as all common law enforcement officers: dumb, hired help.
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Old 06-28-2011, 08:29 AM   #458
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Meanwhile



"Raising Hope" star Garret Dillahunt has managed to walk through security at a local airport with a small knife. On Monday, June 27, the actor playing Burt Chance on the FOX sitcom posted a photo of the knife on Twitter and wrote, "Oops. Walked right through airport security with this little number."

Garret was not arrested for bringing the banned item into the airport, but fellow actor Rainn Wilson thought otherwise. In his response to Garret's tweet, Rainn wrote on his own page, "Arrest this tweeter!" In return, Garret explained, "If I ever get outta this there will be a reckoning. It was a misTAKE, all right? I'm a whittler, plain and simple."



A couple of comments on that story

A close family member of mine actually got a taser gun onto an airplane. And a friend of mine at work got a knife that looks just like the one in this picture on 2 flights within a week. In both cases they didn't realize they had the weapons in their carry-on luggage. But if it's this easy to accidentally get a weapon onto a plane, how easy do you think it must be to smuggle a weapon onto a plane when you're actually trying?

I was on a flight where someone had a small knife with them on the plane, and security never caught it. This was the same security that I went though where they had me step to the side and pat me down...touching my boobs and my front below my waist IN PUBLIC!!!

I can't tell you how many times this has happened to me.
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The current TSA approach is pretty useless.
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The tsa has prevented further terrorist attacks on US soil.

I wonder why fox news types aren't touting that old song and dance anymore?
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