BoMac
Self-righteous bullshitter
It seems that ISIS actions over the past month have aligned Russia, France, the U.S., and Hezbollah against them. That's quite a feat.
Because the US hasn't been dropping enough bombs in Syria?
I'm not sure how to upload this video but John Oliver nails it right on the head.
This group is driven by a deep, ancient fundamentalist version of Islam. They won't stop.
This isn't your normal middle eastern terrorist group. They won't back down if we stop meddling in the region. They're not angry over Israel (well they are, but not only). They're obsessed with the apocalypse and bringing about the end times.
They must be dealt with.
We need smarter long term plans to deal with the middle East and terrorism in general. Yes. True.
ISIS isn't that. They're something different. And they're not stopping unless we stop them.
Driving ISIS off the face of the earth may actually go further to help our reputation in the middle east. This isn't like al Qaeda, where the Middle Eastern countries say they hate them but secretly find them through back channels. This isn't Hezbollah. These countries hate ISIS as much as we do, if not more so.
I generally agree with the "lets stop fucking around over there and creating more enemies than that of which we kill" way of combating terrorism.
Not in this case. Not with them.
They need to be destroyed.
one of the reasons i love France
that spirit...
tomorrow's Charlie Hebdo cover:
"They've got guns
Fuck them
We've got champagne!"
This group is driven by a deep, ancient fundamentalist version of Islam. They won't stop.
This isn't your normal middle eastern terrorist group. They won't back down if we stop meddling in the region. They're not angry over Israel (well they are, but not only). They're obsessed with the apocalypse and bringing about the end times.
They must be dealt with.
We need smarter long term plans to deal with the middle East and terrorism in general. Yes. True.
ISIS isn't that. They're something different. And they're not stopping unless we stop them.
Driving ISIS off the face of the earth may actually go further to help our reputation in the middle east. This isn't like al Qaeda, where the Middle Eastern countries say they hate them but secretly find them through back channels. This isn't Hezbollah. These countries hate ISIS as much as we do, if not more so.
I generally agree with the "lets stop fucking around over there and creating more enemies than that of which we kill" way of combating terrorism.
Not in this case. Not with them.
They need to be destroyed.
This group is driven by a deep, ancient fundamentalist version of Islam. They won't stop.
This isn't your normal middle eastern terrorist group. They won't back down if we stop meddling in the region. They're not angry over Israel (well they are, but not only). They're obsessed with the apocalypse and bringing about the end times.
They must be dealt with.
We need smarter long term plans to deal with the middle East and terrorism in general. Yes. True.
ISIS isn't that. They're something different. And they're not stopping unless we stop them.
Driving ISIS off the face of the earth may actually go further to help our reputation in the middle east. This isn't like al Qaeda, where the Middle Eastern countries say they hate them but secretly find them through back channels. This isn't Hezbollah. These countries hate ISIS as much as we do, if not more so.
I generally agree with the "lets stop fucking around over there and creating more enemies than that of which we kill" way of combating terrorism.
Not in this case. Not with them.
They need to be destroyed.
The thing is, while Daesh* might be a slightly new flavor of terrorist extremism, just bombing the hell out of them and wiping them off the face of the planet is not going to address the fundamental problem, and will, in fact, guarantee the rise of the next branch. There have been interviews done with some of the Daesh fighters, and many of them are NOT actually devout Muslims with a strong fundamental understanding of their faith. They'redisillusioned youth who were treated badly under US-backed Al-Maliki in Iraq, and youth who are especially vulnerable to fall under the spell of people who give them a sense of (violent, retributive) purpose and the veneer of being sanctioned by God.
We're not going to end this kind of extreme terrorism until we start doing something real about the "hearts and minds" of every day people in these middle Eastern countries. We simply can't expect a military approach to work unless it is paired with a humanitarian approach that is just as strong if not more so. It's easy as shit to bomb bad guys. It's a lot more difficult to give people hope and access to things that improve their lives in a meaningful way. But that's the only way we stand a chance of eradicating this Islamist extremism. Until that gets addressed it's just going to be whack-a-mole.
Then guarantee to smash the next branch and the one after that... keep whacking the mole
The football game of the Netherlands and Germany tonight has been cancelled. There was a major bomb threat, the entire stadium was emptied. This is getting far too close. Shit.
And damn, the Mannschaft must be pretty traumatised after Paris and now this. Seems like the terrorists hate the German team.
Wow did you miss the point.
We're not going to end this kind of extreme terrorism until we start doing something real about the "hearts and minds" of every day people in these middle Eastern countries.
Seems like the terrorists hate the German team.
So you're saying just a constant state of war and intervention?
I agree with Headache for a lot of it. ISIS is a different breed than AQ. AQ was a bit more political in their demands. Still rooted in Islam, but wanted more, or had aspirations to gain.
ISIS wants death, even for themselves eventually.
I think you have special forces (from all countries) to take out their leadership, use the Muslim community to try and sway the minds of those who are easily influenced by promises of ISIS, and then see if a moderate voice can lead that region and spread throughout.
But just bombing the shit out of them will create more chaos for the rest of the world.
ISIS I feel has already won. They've played right into the fear/fascism aspect of our political system. Pretty much every GOP candidate, congressman, Gov has stated they want nothing to do with Syrians, even going as far to require a religious test to enter the country. and of course there's the McCain war machine firing up (we fight them there, or we fight them here)
Seems to play into the narrative that the West hates Muslims.
It's such a bad, bad situation. But we can't let fear dictate our actions. I am for some military action, but there has to be more to change people's minds on this perverted outlook that these terror groups have.
Seems to play into the narrative that the West hates Muslims.
It's such a bad, bad situation. But we can't let fear dictate our actions. I am for some military action, but there has to be more to change people's minds on this perverted outlook that these terror groups have.