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Old 11-17-2015, 12:27 PM   #181
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It seems that ISIS actions over the past month have aligned Russia, France, the U.S., and Hezbollah against them. That's quite a feat.
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Old 11-17-2015, 12:30 PM   #182
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Don't forget Iran. They're not fans is ISIS either. Sadly, however they do support Assad.
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Old 11-17-2015, 12:56 PM   #183
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Good news is Assad doesn't support them, either.

Clearly, ISIS is trying to make world peace by bringing everyone together.
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Old 11-17-2015, 01:31 PM   #184
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Because the US hasn't been dropping enough bombs in Syria?
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Old 11-17-2015, 01:54 PM   #185
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The Germany-Netherlands friendly soccer match in Hannover was cancelled after, according to reports, an ambulance filled with explosives was found near the stadium.
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Old 11-17-2015, 02:01 PM   #186
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If reports are to be believed, looks like the plan had been to drive the ambulance into the stadium, and then blow it up during the match.

This was literally the plot of a Criminal Minds episode.

ETA: Appears it was a truck (or van) disguised as an ambulance.
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Old 11-17-2015, 02:43 PM   #187
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one of the reasons i love France

that spirit...

tomorrow's Charlie Hebdo cover:

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Old 11-17-2015, 02:59 PM   #188
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I'm not sure how to upload this video but John Oliver nails it right on the head.
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:00 PM   #189
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I guess I was able to!?!
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:06 PM   #190
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Proof that initial reports are rarely ever correct, it now appears that there were no explosives, and authorities in Hannover were acting out of an abundance of caution.
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This group is driven by a deep, ancient fundamentalist version of Islam. They won't stop.

This isn't your normal middle eastern terrorist group. They won't back down if we stop meddling in the region. They're not angry over Israel (well they are, but not only). They're obsessed with the apocalypse and bringing about the end times.

They must be dealt with.

We need smarter long term plans to deal with the middle East and terrorism in general. Yes. True.

ISIS isn't that. They're something different. And they're not stopping unless we stop them.

Driving ISIS off the face of the earth may actually go further to help our reputation in the middle east. This isn't like al Qaeda, where the Middle Eastern countries say they hate them but secretly find them through back channels. This isn't Hezbollah. These countries hate ISIS as much as we do, if not more so.

I generally agree with the "lets stop fucking around over there and creating more enemies than that of which we kill" way of combating terrorism.

Not in this case. Not with them.

They need to be destroyed.
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The former wife of Paris bomber Ibrahim Abdeslam has broken her silence to say he was a jobless layabout who smoked cannabis 'all day every day', never went to the mosque and had spent time in prison.

ISIS Paris bomber Ibrahim Abdeslam's ex-wife reveals terrorist never went to mosque | Daily Mail Online
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I'm not sure how to upload this video but John Oliver nails it right on the head.
i fucking love this - thank you so much for posting it
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This group is driven by a deep, ancient fundamentalist version of Islam. They won't stop.

This isn't your normal middle eastern terrorist group. They won't back down if we stop meddling in the region. They're not angry over Israel (well they are, but not only). They're obsessed with the apocalypse and bringing about the end times.

They must be dealt with.

We need smarter long term plans to deal with the middle East and terrorism in general. Yes. True.

ISIS isn't that. They're something different. And they're not stopping unless we stop them.

Driving ISIS off the face of the earth may actually go further to help our reputation in the middle east. This isn't like al Qaeda, where the Middle Eastern countries say they hate them but secretly find them through back channels. This isn't Hezbollah. These countries hate ISIS as much as we do, if not more so.

I generally agree with the "lets stop fucking around over there and creating more enemies than that of which we kill" way of combating terrorism.

Not in this case. Not with them.

They need to be destroyed.
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Old 11-17-2015, 03:28 PM   #196
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This group is driven by a deep, ancient fundamentalist version of Islam. They won't stop.

This isn't your normal middle eastern terrorist group. They won't back down if we stop meddling in the region. They're not angry over Israel (well they are, but not only). They're obsessed with the apocalypse and bringing about the end times.

They must be dealt with.

We need smarter long term plans to deal with the middle East and terrorism in general. Yes. True.

ISIS isn't that. They're something different. And they're not stopping unless we stop them.

Driving ISIS off the face of the earth may actually go further to help our reputation in the middle east. This isn't like al Qaeda, where the Middle Eastern countries say they hate them but secretly find them through back channels. This isn't Hezbollah. These countries hate ISIS as much as we do, if not more so.

I generally agree with the "lets stop fucking around over there and creating more enemies than that of which we kill" way of combating terrorism.

Not in this case. Not with them.

They need to be destroyed.
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the problem, though, with destroying ISIS is that death inspires more recruits. the West could carpet bomb for weeks, all those assholes could be vaporized, and some kid living in a Brussels suburb sees it on TV and straps a bomb to his chest, runs into Gare de Nord, and derails a train heading to Lille.

i realize that's not helpful, and a criticism without a solution. i have no solution. i just think that there's no "wipe them out, all of them." what we're dealing with here are the children of Bin Laden, young men with no jobs and no sex and no future who grew up in the aftermath of 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq. how do we stamp that out? that which drives angry young men to extremist utopian visions of life?

it's so depressing.
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This group is driven by a deep, ancient fundamentalist version of Islam. They won't stop.

This isn't your normal middle eastern terrorist group. They won't back down if we stop meddling in the region. They're not angry over Israel (well they are, but not only). They're obsessed with the apocalypse and bringing about the end times.

They must be dealt with.

We need smarter long term plans to deal with the middle East and terrorism in general. Yes. True.

ISIS isn't that. They're something different. And they're not stopping unless we stop them.

Driving ISIS off the face of the earth may actually go further to help our reputation in the middle east. This isn't like al Qaeda, where the Middle Eastern countries say they hate them but secretly find them through back channels. This isn't Hezbollah. These countries hate ISIS as much as we do, if not more so.

I generally agree with the "lets stop fucking around over there and creating more enemies than that of which we kill" way of combating terrorism.

Not in this case. Not with them.

They need to be destroyed.
The thing is, while Daesh* might be a slightly new flavor of terrorist extremism, just bombing the hell out of them and wiping them off the face of the planet is not going to address the fundamental problem, and will, in fact, guarantee the rise of the next branch. There have been interviews done with some of the Daesh fighters, and many of them are NOT actually devout Muslims with a strong fundamental understanding of their faith. They're disillusioned youth who were treated badly under US-backed Al-Maliki in Iraq, and youth who are especially vulnerable to fall under the spell of people who give them a sense of (violent, retributive) purpose and the veneer of being sanctioned by God.

We're not going to end this kind of extreme terrorism until we start doing something real about the "hearts and minds" of every day people in these middle Eastern countries. We simply can't expect a military approach to work unless it is paired with a humanitarian approach that is just as strong if not more so. It's easy as shit to bomb bad guys. It's a lot more difficult to give people hope and access to things that improve their lives in a meaningful way. But that's the only way we stand a chance of eradicating this Islamist extremism. Until that gets addressed it's just going to be whack-a-mole.

*The assholes formely known as ISIS
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The football game of the Netherlands and Germany tonight has been cancelled. There was a major bomb threat, the entire stadium was emptied. This is getting far too close. Shit.


And damn, the Mannschaft must be pretty traumatised after Paris and now this. Seems like the terrorists hate the German team.
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The thing is, while Daesh* might be a slightly new flavor of terrorist extremism, just bombing the hell out of them and wiping them off the face of the planet is not going to address the fundamental problem, and will, in fact, guarantee the rise of the next branch. There have been interviews done with some of the Daesh fighters, and many of them are NOT actually devout Muslims with a strong fundamental understanding of their faith. They'redisillusioned youth who were treated badly under US-backed Al-Maliki in Iraq, and youth who are especially vulnerable to fall under the spell of people who give them a sense of (violent, retributive) purpose and the veneer of being sanctioned by God.

We're not going to end this kind of extreme terrorism until we start doing something real about the "hearts and minds" of every day people in these middle Eastern countries. We simply can't expect a military approach to work unless it is paired with a humanitarian approach that is just as strong if not more so. It's easy as shit to bomb bad guys. It's a lot more difficult to give people hope and access to things that improve their lives in a meaningful way. But that's the only way we stand a chance of eradicating this Islamist extremism. Until that gets addressed it's just going to be whack-a-mole.
Then guarantee to smash the next branch and the one after that... keep whacking the mole
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