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Old 07-03-2012, 05:35 PM   #21
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Honest question for the religious folk: from a purely objective viewpoint, what is the difference between Jesus and a guy like David Koresh?
Your distaste for Branch Davidians doesn't come up nearly as often.
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Honest question for the religious folk: from a purely objective viewpoint, what is the difference between Jesus and a guy like David Koresh?
I'm not religious, but ... the media.
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Jesus didn't take His followers down with Him when He died.
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Old 07-03-2012, 06:20 PM   #24
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Honest question for the religious folk: from a purely objective viewpoint, what is the difference between Jesus and a guy like David Koresh?
Janet Reno didn't order Jesus's execution?
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Honest question for the religious folk: from a purely objective viewpoint, what is the difference between Jesus and a guy like David Koresh?
The one that came to mind, right away: Jesus didn't murder anyone.
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The one that came to mind, right away: Jesus didn't murder anyone.
Neither did Koresh.
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Old 07-03-2012, 07:24 PM   #27
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Your distaste for Branch Davidians doesn't come up nearly as often.
My spite is non discriminatory
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Old 07-03-2012, 07:33 PM   #28
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Jesus didn't take His followers down with Him when He died.
Maybe that's right or maybe he and his followers were killed by the government intervention. And even if it were the former, a quick creative flourish and he's suddenly a martyr.

My point is not to belittle the story of Jesus. I'm just fascinated by religion and how it comes in to being. Presumably, those who believe in Jesus are as atheistic on the other religions as me (or at least, all but one other that's just a couple millennia past its best before date), so I don't think my question was an unfair one or even a sacrilegious one for that matter.
All the bullet-points are there. His story somewhat (and I would presume, intentionally) mirrors that of Jesus. Undoubtedly there will be another 'legit' religion to come along and scoop up a ton of followers; I'm fascinated by the idea of someone picking up on a story like his a few decades or a century from now and that becoming the basis for a new worldwide religion. It's not that far fetched.
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The one that came to mind, right away: Jesus didn't murder anyone.
I don't believe he did either. The whole thing is kinda sketchy
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I'm not religious, but ... the media.
Curious what you mean by this
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Janet Reno didn't order Jesus's execution?
Yes, I suppose that isn't nearly as dignified
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Consider how the stories of each were told. Jesus' story was spread by word of mouth, and later by the written word. People were left to decide for themselves what they believed based on how much they trusted a certain orator or writer.

Koresh was on television. You could see his compound on CNN, you could hear his voice over the airwaves. Reporters stood outside Branch Davidian and described the scene as it was unfolding right before our eyes.

If there was television in Jesus' time, no one would have believed it. I can't imagine the homes he inhabitated or the temples he preached in were any less humble than those of Koresh.
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I suppose there's substance to that, but are you then saying the media has taken away the ability to spread a new religion in any meaningful capacity or will it still spread despite it? And I mean, Koresh had a small core of followers in the same way Jesus did, despite what the media was saying about him at the time; It wouldn't be unthinkable that there would be others out there willing to believe his message too. Especially when you take into account the possible cover up about the whole incident that ended everything. That in itself could generate sympathy and an openness to his 'teachings'. It's not like Jesus was Mr Popular either and it only took a little over 3 centuries for the government who executed him to buy into his religion
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I'm saying that stories about his importance and greatness will be much more limited because everyone has access to the media coverage of him. It's preserved, unable to altered by hand-me -down storytelling.
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They're still second hand accounts though. There's enough distrust in the media to, at least for some people, render those accounts irrelevant. I get what you're saying though and it adds an interesting wrinkle to the whole process
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Honest question for the religious folk: from a purely objective viewpoint, what is the difference between Jesus and a guy like David Koresh?
Jesus had a good message and attitude towards mankind.
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What was Koresh's message?
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Koresh, from what I've understood about him, seemed to talk more about prophecy and was more obsessed with gaining power than actively helping people with whatever messages he claimed to be getting.

His message seemed to focus on helping himself. Jesus was more interested in helping others.
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"I need all my riches to pay for my bitches."
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Funny, that's mine as well.
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