Roadmap to HELL - One man caught on a barbed wire fence ....

[Earnie Shavers]

Gays get stoned in Saudi Arabia, therefore, West Bank settlements are legal.

[AchtungBono]

Originally Posted by Earnie Shavers

Gays get stoned in Saudi Arabia, therefore, West Bank settlements are legal.

First of all, the settlements ARE legal......and second of all - what's the connection??

I say the sky is blue...and it IS blue. If everyone else decides that it is orange does that mean that they're right??

[popshopper]

Originally Posted by AchtungBono

Finally......after a year and a half of having to deal with the lies and false accusations of the Goldstone Report, judge Goldstone finally stepped up to the plate and announced to the world that he was wrong in his findings.....Israel did NOT commit war crimes, Israel did NOT target civillians during the war that Hamas started with us, and Israel DID investigate isolated incidents involving improper conduct of soldiers.

In short, judge Goldstone now admits himself what we've been saying all along - we had every right in the world to defend ourselves against the constant rocket attacks that Hamas launched against our civillian population, and we did not commit any war crimes during this campaign.

Not only that, the other committee chaired by Judge Mary McGowan Davis found that: “Israel has dedicated significant resources to investigate over 400 allegations of operational misconduct in Gaza” while “the de facto authorities (i.e., Hamas) have not conducted any investigations into the launching of rocket and mortar attacks against Israel.”

Really?? Hamas didn't investigate their attacks against us?? what a surprise!!

In short, thanks for nothing your honor......your one-sided report did immeasurable damage to Israel, you have accused us falsely of war crimes and tarnished the reputation of the IDF - which is undoubtably one of the most moral armies in their world. I'm glad that you finally realized that we were telling the truth all the time and that our actions were justified and any civillian casualties in Gaza were NOT caused on purpose but rather because Hamas used them as human shields......

Maybe next time the world will listen to us instead of blindly branding us with vicious labels.

...............but who am I kidding......


Here is Judge Goldstone's article in the Washington Post:

Reconsidering the Goldstone Report on Israel and war crimes - The Washington Post

Can you point to any situation where a member of the IDF has been substantially punished for any action? It seems every investigation comes up with the same answer: nothing to see here Like you know when they pumped 20 bullets into an unarmed 13 year old girl, including two point blank range 'verification' shots. Oh that's right, the soldier involved got a promotion.

Or when they shot my friend James Miller who was holding a white flag at the time, and was again unharmed.

Lots of investigations, always the same answer even when the facts dispute it.

[AchtungBono]

Originally Posted by popshopper

Can you point to any situation where a member of the IDF has been substantially punished for any action? It seems every investigation comes up with the same answer: nothing to see here Like you know when they pumped 20 bullets into an unarmed 13 year old girl, including two point blank range 'verification' shots. Oh that's right, the soldier involved got a promotion.

Or when they shot my friend James Miller who was holding a white flag at the time, and was again unharmed.

Lots of investigations, always the same answer even when the facts dispute it.

Hello Popshopper,

Here is one instance:
IDF soldier convicted of manslaughter of British activist - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

And here is an interview with the deputy military advocate about investigating incidents and prosecution of soldiers:

Home Page - IDF Military Advocate General

[The_Pac_Mule]

Gays get stoned in Saudi Arabia, therefore, West Bank settlements are legal.

[yolland]

Associated Press, April 6

South African jurist Richard Goldstone said Tuesday that he did not plan to seek nullification of his highly critical UN report on Israel's 2008-2009 offensive in the Gaza Strip and asserted that claims to the contrary by Israeli Interior Minister Eli Yishai were false.

The 2009 Goldstone report initially concluded that both Israel and Hamas had committed potential war crimes and possible crimes against humanity during three weeks of fighting. The findings that Israeli forces had intentionally fired at Palestinian civilians triggered outrage in Israel and a personal campaign against Goldstone, who is Jewish.

In the Post article, Goldstone lauded Israel for conducting dozens of investigations into alleged wrongdoing. In particular, he cited evidence that a deadly strike that killed more than 20 members of a Palestinian family resulted from faulty intelligence and was not an intentional attack. Nevertheless, Goldstone said, he did not intend to seek the report's nullification. "As appears from the Washington Post article, information subsequent to publication of the report did meet with the view that one correction should be made with regard to intentionality on the part of Israel," the judge said. "Further information as a result of domestic investigations could lead to further reconsideration, but as presently advised I have no reason to believe any part of the report needs to be reconsidered at this time."

[AchtungBono]

In their continued quest to defend themselves against the horrible agressors, Hamas launched a deliberate anti-tank missile attack against a clearly marked military target.........



...........a bus full of school children.


This only drives the point home that peace will NEVER come to Israel or the Palestinians, or indeed the middle east in general, until Hamas is routed out of Gaza together with Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and, of course, their mentor Iran.


Two hurt in missile strike on bus carrying students near Gaza - Haaretz Daily Newspaper | Israel News

[deep]

13 killed in Israeli strikes in Gaza

By Joel Greenberg, Saturday, April 9, 1:21 AM
JERUSALEM — Israeli strikes in the Gaza Strip on Friday and early Saturday killed 13 Palestinians, including a woman and her daughter, medical officials said, in continuing exchanges of fire a day after a missile attack on an Israeli school bus that wounded two people.

Israeli aircraft and tanks fired at targets in the Palestinian enclave, and militants launched mortar rounds and rockets at Israel, causing no casualties. Seventeen Palestinians, civilians, have been killed and dozens wounded since Thursday’s bus attack, in the worse flare-up of violence since an Israeli offensive in 2009 against the militant Islamic group Hamas, which controls Gaza.

U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon urged an “immediate end” to rocket fire at Israel and “maximum restraint” by Israel, voicing concern at all the reports of many civilian casualties.

An Israeli drone hit a house east of Khan Younis, killing a 45-year-old woman and her 21-year-old daughter, according to a spokesman for Gaza’s emergency services. He said a 55-year-old farmer was also killed in a separate attack in the same area.

The Israeli army said that it had responded to mortar and rocket fire from a neighborhood in the Khan Younis area and that two launching squads were targeted and hit. A military spokesman acknowledged that “uninvolved civilians” appeared to be the casualties but accused Hamas of using them as human shields by operating inside residential areas.

An 11-year-old boy was killed and 10 other people were injured, most of them children, by Israeli shelling in Shujaiya, east of Gaza City, medical officials and the Islamic Jihad group said.

The army said it had struck from the air and that it was aware of civilian casualties.

The body of another Palestinian, apparently killed in earlier fighting, was recovered in Khan Younis.

The army said that nearly 20 mortar rounds and rockets were fired at Israel on Friday, including three Grad rockets aimed at the southern coastal city of Ashkelon that were intercepted by the military’s new Iron Dome missile defense system.

Israel is a state that has a government that kills civilians.

The Palestinians do not have a state or a government.

[The_Pac_Mule]

Israel is a state that has a government that kills civilians.

The Palestinians do not have a state or a government.

Israel does not delibrately target civilians. There's always going to be high collateral damage in urban warfare. Hamas and Hezbollah, who control Palestine, do.

[The_Pac_Mule]

Hamas makes rare appeal to Israel to halt fighting


JERUSALEM – A senior member of Gaza's ruling Hamas movement on Sunday made a rare appeal to the Israeli public to halt escalating cross-border fighting, telling an Israeli radio station in fluent Hebrew that Hamas is ready to stop its rocket fire if Israel ends its attacks on Gaza.

With fighting continuing early Sunday, Hamas' deputy foreign minister, Ghazi Hamad, delivered the message to state-run Israel Radio. "We are interested in calm but want the Israeli military to stop its operations," Hamad said in Hebrew.

Hamas refuses to recognize Israel, but Hamad and other leaders of the Islamic militant group learned Hebrew during stints in Israeli prisons.

Other Hamas officials said they were in touch with mediators in hopes of restoring calm.

Hamad spoke shortly after Palestinian militants in Gaza fired several mortar shells and rockets into southern Israel. There were no reports of injuries, and Israel did not retaliate for the latest strikes.

Israeli leaders sent mixed messages Sunday.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak said if militants in Hamas-ruled Gaza cease their attacks, so would Israel.

But Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu took a more combative tack. "If the attacks on Israeli citizens and soldiers continue, the response will be far harsher" than it has been, Netanyahu told his Cabinet.

The violence escalated a week ago when an Israeli airstrike killed three Hamas militants who Israel said were planning a cross-border kidnapping. On Thursday, Hamas militants fired a guided anti-tank missile at an Israeli school bus, wounding the two people on board, including a teenage boy who was critically hurt.

Since Thursday, Palestinians fired more than 120 rockets and mortars into southern Israel, prompting a series of Israeli reprisals that have killed 19 Palestinians, including six civilians, and wounded 65 others. It has been the most intense fighting between Israel and Gaza militants since a major Israeli offensive in the Palestinian territory ended in January 2009.

While neither side appears interested in all-out war, the fear is that an isolated incident could easily spark an Israeli offensive because of the combustible situation that has developed over the past month.

Mohammed Awad, Hamas' foreign minister, told the group's Al-Quds TV station that there was a "sustained effort" to halt the fighting. "I can say we were in contact with Egypt, Turkey and the United Nations," he said.

Islamic Jihad, a smaller Palestinian militant group, also called for a halt to the violence.

Israel invaded Gaza in December 2008 in an attempt to stop years of persistent rocket fire at Israeli civilians near the Palestinian territory. Some 1,400 Gazans, including hundreds of civilians, and 13 Israelis were killed in the three-week offensive.

Until the recent flareup, cross-border violence remained at a relatively low level.

However, the balance of power has gradually shifted since the war.

On Thursday, Israel first used a new system designed to intercept incoming rockets. The system, Iron Dome, has now successfully shot down eight projectiles aimed at Israeli cities, the military said, though Israeli officials say it cannot provide a complete defense.

Israel says Hamas, meanwhile, has acquired deadlier weapons since the war. It says the group now has rockets capable of striking deep into Israel, anti-aircraft missiles and sophisticated anti-tank weapons like the laser-guided missile that hit the bus on Thursday.

Hamas makes rare appeal to Israel to halt fighting - Yahoo! News


Israel eliminates 3 Hamas militants, so they try and blow up a school bus full of children? I just don't get how some people can judge Israel as harshly as Palestine.

And honestly, I don't trust Hamas motives for a cease-fire. They're probably just really hurting right now, and want time to recover.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by The_Pac_Mule

. Hamas and Hezbollah, who control Palestine, do.

Where is this magical Palestine?

[AchtungBono]

Originally Posted by anitram

Where is this magical Palestine?

Hello Anitram,

I really don't know. Maybe you should ask all the countries who have recognized it so far.......maybe THEY know where it is.

[The_Pac_Mule]

Where is this magical Palestine?

*sigh* I mean the Palestinian territories. Gaza, West Bank, etc.

[AchtungBono]

May they all rest in peace and bask in the glow of God's eternal light and may their murderers burn in hell forever and ever.

Great news!!

The terrorist murderers who committed this unspeakable act have been caught by the Israeli security forces and will pay dearly for this crime.

These are the faces of pure evil and hatred:

Itamar massacre solved; 2 arrested - Israel News, Ynetnews

[The_Pac_Mule]

Wow, that's really fucking disgusting. May the family rest in peace.

[yolland]

New York Times, April 20

A Republican invitation for Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, to address Congress next month is highlighting the tensions between President Obama and Mr. Netanyahu and has kicked off a bizarre diplomatic race over who will be the first to lay out a new proposal to reopen the stalled Israeli-Palestinian peace talks.

For three months, White House officials have been debating whether the time has come for Mr. Obama to make a major address on the region’s turmoil, including the upheaval in the Arab world, and whether he should use the occasion to propose a new plan for peace between Israelis and Palestinians. One administration official said that course was backed by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and the president himself, but opposed by Dennis B. Ross, the president’s senior adviser on the Middle East. As the administration has been pondering, Mr. Netanyahu, fearful that his country would lose ground with any Obama administration plan, has been considering whether to pre-empt the White House with a proposal of his own, before a friendly United States Congress, according to American officials and diplomats from the region.

Mr. Netanyahu has made it clear that he wants Israel’s security needs addressed before any peace deal with the Palestinians. He has become even more concerned about security because shifts in power among Arab states in recent months have weakened Israel’s already fragile relations with its neighbors, particularly Egypt.

The tussling between the Obama administration and the Israeli government reached a peak last week when Mrs. Clinton, in Washington at a meeting of the US-Islamic World Forum, announced that Mr. Obama would be “speaking in greater detail about America’s policy in the Middle East and North Africa in the coming weeks.” Her announcement electrified Israeli officials, who quickly got on the phone with American officials and journalists to determine whether Mr. Obama had decided to put an American plan on the table. He had not made such a decision, and White House officials cautioned that the internal debate was still going on. But two days later, the House speaker, John A. Boehner of Ohio, announced his intention to invite Mr. Netanyahu to address a joint meeting of Congress. “America and Israel are the closest of friends and allies, and we look forward to hearing the prime minister’s views on how we can continue working together for peace, freedom and stability,” Mr. Boehner said in a news release.

...Mr. Netanyahu’s address will coincide with the planned meeting of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, arguably the most powerful of the American groups that advocate for Israel.

Last November, Representative Eric Cantor, Republican of Virginia, told Mr. Netanyahu that the new GOP majority in the House would “serve as a check on the administration,” in a statement that was rare for its blunt disagreement on American foreign policy as conveyed to a foreign leader. Mr. Cantor put out a statement after a meeting with Mr. Netanyahu saying that he “made clear that the Republican majority understands the special relationship between Israel and the United States, and that the security of each nation is reliant upon the other.” Brian Katulis, a national security expert with the Center for American Progress, a liberal research organization, said that Republicans were trying to “make Israel a partisan wedge issue.”

Much of the debate is taking place under a pending deadline of the United Nations General Assembly meeting scheduled in September, when the Assembly is expected to broadly endorse Palestinian statehood in a vote that could prove deeply embarrassing to Israel and the United States, which are both expected to vote against it.

[yolland]

This could be big if it goes through.


Fatah and Hamas end feud, agree to interim government - Reuters

"This agreement is possible because the Egyptian regime has changed. The new administration is taking a balanced position," said Hany al-Masri, a political commentator who took part in talks over the past two weeks that lead to the breakthrough. Analysts said the ongoing uprising in Syria, where part of Hamas's leadership is based, had also put pressure on the group to try to end its isolation in Gaza, a tiny coastal enclave that borders both Israel and Egypt.

Any interim government is unlikely to include Hamas officials in an effort to avoid the sort of international boycott that hit the Palestinians after the 2006 election. Abbas is dependent on Western aid, which he has used to build up state institutions ahead of hoped-for independence.

[deep]

that is good news
statehood should be next. let's hope it happens this year.

Then we can start the process of removing the settler / occupiers from their illegal land grab.

[AchtungBono]

Originally Posted by yolland

This could be big if it goes through.


Fatah and Hamas end feud, agree to interim government - Reuters

Big TROUBLE you mean......

This so-called "truce" between Hamas and Fatah has nothing to do with combining their forces for the good of the Palestinian people and everything to do with the old adage "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". There's no love lost between Hamas and Fatah and the only purpose of their getting together is to try yet again to drive us from our land (which will never happen because we're not going anywhere.....).

To illustrate the danger of this evil alliance, just imagine what would happen if the Taliban and Al-Qaida joined forces and camped out in Canada and Mexico with the United States in between......this is the same situation.

The regime change in Egypt was clearly the first stage of this major shift in the middle east - a process that is still going on. I was no fan of Hosni Mubarak but at least under his regime he kept the peace with Israel since 1979, entered into economic agreements with us (including the Egypt-Israel gas pipeline) and generally preserved a status-quo of non-belligerancy(sP?) towards us - including closing the Rafah border passing to try and prevent smuggling of arms and terrorists into Gaza and blowing up some of the tunnels that Hamas used to smuggle their Iranian-made weapons into their territory.

It's no coincidence that following the toppling of Mubarak Iranian warships were allowed to cross the Suez canal on route to Syria for the first time in 30 years. It is highly suspected that those ships were carrying weapons meant for Hezbollah and Hamas - which was proven in March when the Israeli navy captured the "Victoria" on route from Syria to Egypt with weapons on board.

Syrian ship with arms for Gaza captured by Israel | The Jewish Chronicle

This incident I believe underscores the need for Israel to maintain the naval blockade of Gaza, which has so far managed to stop any further weapons from reaching Gaza by sea.

So please don't be fooled by this so-called "reconcilliation". Hamas and Fatah are far from friends and I guarantee you that behind those smiles lies a hatred that runs deep between them - which is no doubt overshadowed by their hatred for Israel. Worse than that, this agreement will give them joint control over Gaza and the West Bank - which means that, as of this moment, thousands of more people in Tel-Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa and basically the entire country, have just entered the range of the Grad missiles that have been the bane of the existance of the residents of Sderot, Ashkelon, and more recently Beer-Sheba and my city of Ashdod.

If indeed a Palestinian state is unilaterally declared in September, this won't be the end of the story. Yassar Arafat tried the same gimick in the 80's when out of the blue he declared statehood (please see below).

Palestinian Declaration of Independence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Nothing changed, the earth didn't stop, the sun still rose and set, and many countried recognized "Palestine" just like they're doing today. As things stand now, the new state of "Palestine" will be a paria among nations. It will lose the much-needed aid from the United States (400 million USD a year which is used to line the pockets of corrupt politicians and to purchase weapons rather than help make the Palestinian's lives more livable). It will be a terrorist state who will use this new-found status to form a coalition of hate with the other radical movements - don't be surprised if some members of Islamic Jihad and even Al Qaida will find their way into this joint terrorist government.

The bombing yesterday of the Egypt-Israel gas pipeline, and a recent poll that stated that over half the Egyptian people favor breaking the peace treaty with Israel, clearly indicate the tone and direction in which the middle east is headed.

In all this turmoil and confusion there stands only one voice for reason.....and that is Israel. While Egyptian, Lybian and Syrian forces turn their guns on the few people brave enough to stand up and fight for their freedom - it is ISRAEL who is perceived to be evil and manevolent and a human rights violator......go figure.

Without a doubt, a new darker chapter has begun with this combining of forces between Hamas and Fatah. Personally I'm not worried because I have my strong faith in G-d, the wisdom of our government and the power of our armed forces to protect me and my fellow citizens from harm.

So Deep.......make no mistake - we are here to stay and we'll continue to be here long after these and other terrorist organizations are run into the ground.

Peace!

[deep]

If you are living in the West Bank you should make plans to leave. I would recommend a move to inside the 1967 boarders.


Strong faith in G-d is fine. He may or may not exist. (just my point of view)
If he does exist, he does not intervene when babies are butchered in their beds.

So the smart thing to do, is get out of the West Bank.