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Old 06-08-2010, 11:29 AM   #201
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It is unfortunate that this is the note that her career will end on.

I don't see anything particularly offensive about her question that INDY posted either.

And I sure don't see any reason to have to justify appreciating her accomplishments either. INDY can go be a cry baby somewhere else as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 06-08-2010, 11:48 AM   #202
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To be fair, I think the question that INDY posted earlier has a fair bit of editorializing, both in tone and content, something that I frown upon as a journalist. But I don't think it was hateful or ignorant.

But that's neither here nor there. It's sad that such an accomplished journalist ends her career on this note.
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Old 06-08-2010, 12:59 PM   #203
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To be fair, I think the question that INDY posted earlier has a fair bit of editorializing, both in tone and content, something that I frown upon as a journalist. But I don't think it was hateful or ignorant.

But that's neither here nor there. It's sad that such an accomplished journalist ends her career on this note.
And I believe everyone BUT Palin, INDY, and Beck would agree with you.
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Sorry, but there was no more reason to admire this woman 2 years ago when we had that thread than there is today. But the fact that her hateful, ignorant "questions" or comments were usually aimed at Republicans, conservatives or the military gave her a pass. Pass, hell, made her a hero to many, including the dickweeds at HBO.
There may be no more reason to admire her two years ago, but there is certainly less reason today.

I suppose you're making the argument that liberal views in general are hateful and ignorant (though typing her recent sentiments as "liberal" is really quite a stretch), but I still say it's a cheap argument. And a low one.
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I honestly had never heard of Helen Thomas (serious. I know...) until that documentary about her a couple years ago. And even then all I knew was that she leaned left and asked a lot of tough questions. I'm not familiar with her questions, her quotes.

That said, I don't think that 2002 quote is all that offensive-it's a fair question. You can't deny the fact that the Palestinian people have been treated like crap both by their own leaders as well as surrounding areas and deserve to not be treated as such anymore. No country deserves that. Israel's people don't deserve the crap they've had to experience, either.

I don't know who's going to replace her, but I do hope that whoever does replace her isn't afraid to be tough (and honest) in their questioning, irregardless of what side they're on.

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Old 06-08-2010, 05:58 PM   #206
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I never kept track of all of her comments and I just had a general impression of her as someone who would ask tough questions, so to call people on that after two years? Whatever (bad flashback of that diamond/Hannity thing). And I'm sure there's no one that you like, admire, etc who has made hateful, ignorant comments or asked hateful/ignorant questions either.

I just thought she had a long and pretty admirable career and broke ground for women. It's sad to see it end that way.

Sorry, I in no way meant to imply that admiration 2 years ago was tantamount to condoning her latest statements. But she does have a long history of, if not anti-Semitic, then uninformed, anti-Israel statements. And her personal hatred of Reagan and Bush was equally obvious.

My only point. Conservatives have known for decades she was a vile woman with a deep hatred for the state of Israel. Bienvenue to the rest of you.
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My only point. Conservatives have known for decades she was a vile woman with a deep hatred for the state of Israel. Bienvenue to the rest of you.
Sure. Because we now all agree with your assessment of the woman's character.
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Well I guess it was out in the open in all kinds of secret conservative society meetings. I never heard about it Must have been a vast left wing conspiracy to protect her.
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Everyone, repeat after me: Just because someone might disagree with Israel's policies does not in any way, shape, or form mean they have a "deep hatred for the state of Israel."

I could be wrong, but I think I'm not.
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Conservatives apparently easily confuse legitimate criticism of a country's actions in conflict with another peoples with anti-statism (here: anti-Israelism).
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And her personal hatred of Reagan and Bush was equally obvious.
Along with a good portion of the country

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My only point. Conservatives have known for decades she was a vile woman with a deep hatred for the state of Israel. Bienvenue to the rest of you.
You can't recognize racism or sexism, but you can recognize "deep hatred for the state of Israel from two comments".

You're awesome.
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Conservatives apparently easily confuse legitimate criticism of a country's actions in conflict with another peoples with anti-statism (here: anti-Israelism).
I don't consider Helen Thomas' statements to be "legitimate criticism." But what the hell do I know as increasingly more and more people around the world echo her words and thoughts.
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You can't recognize racism or sexism, but you can recognize "deep hatred for the state of Israel from two comments".

You're awesome.
Right. You're the one who claims your HateDoppler 3000 is so precise and accurate that you can clearly see hate, racism & bigotry in the hearts of all those that oppose same-sex marriage, open borders or Obamacare; yet completely miss the venom aimed at Israel (often from the front row of White House press briefings no less) from the mouth of Ms Thomas.

Might be time for a recalibration.
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Well, I'm going to recuse myself from further discussion on this topic. Like Moonlit Angel, I knew (and know) virtually nothing about Helen Thomas.

So I can't with any real authority argue INDY's point about her supposed anti-Israel views.
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no one -- but no one -- in here has defended her YouTube comment.

INDY, do you think it's possible to be an anti-Zionist and be a journalist?

also, what do you think of Mike Huckabee's calling for the ethnic cleansing (of Arabs) of the West Bank? he has a talk show on Fox and is a likely frontrunner for the GOP nomination in 2012. is this not an equivalent statement to Ms. Thomas'? why do conservatives admire, contribute to, and vote for a politician who supports ethnic cleansing?

Will Huckabee Pay A Price For Rejecting the Two-State Solution? | The American Prospect

will Huckabee apologize and resign as Thomas has?
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My opinion of Ms. Thomas' journalism has not changed since her final outburst.
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Right. You're the one who claims your HateDoppler 3000 is so precise and accurate that you can clearly see hate, racism & bigotry in the hearts of all those that oppose same-sex marriage, open borders or Obamacare; yet completely miss the venom aimed at Israel (often from the front row of White House press briefings no less) from the mouth of Ms Thomas.

Might be time for a recalibration.
I understand nuance. I could go through every sentence here and disect how you are wrong, i.e. I never equated opposing Obamacare to racism, but it wouldn't matter with you, your days of really wanting to engage have been gone for a long time.
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no one -- but no one -- in here has defended her YouTube comment.
running a short clip does not really tell me anything

I almost believe this Rabi, took advantage to get a 'got cha' loop on her.

I posted a link to a more complete transcript in the other thread

she has no more bias than many that are pro-Israeli, but that bias would not be controversial in America
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INDY, do you think it's possible to be an anti-Zionist and be a journalist?
Sure, if they can separate personal beliefs from work. But did Helen do that? Here is her question to Robert Gibbs about the flotilla issue.

"The initial reaction to the flotilla massacre, deliberate massacre, an international crime, was pitiful. What do you mean you regret something that should be so strongly condemned, and if any other nation in the world had done it, we would have been up in arms? What is this ironclad relationship where a country that deliberately kills people... and boycotts every aid and abet… the boycott?"

Fair, tough journalism or interjecting of personal beliefs.
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What is this ironclad relationship where a country that deliberately kills people... and boycotts every aid and abet… the boycott?"
What makes Helen stand out, is that the American Press corp pretty much has a bias 'in favor' of Israel.

Israel committed 'war crimes' (the facts are irrefutable) with their war on Gaza.
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