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Old 08-31-2008, 06:15 PM   #21
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Perhaps those that don't believe in Him don't feel the need for His guidance.
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Old 08-31-2008, 06:37 PM   #22
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Perhaps those that don't believe in Him don't feel the need for His guidance.
...and He won't force you to.

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Old 09-02-2008, 09:13 PM   #23
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how does Fred Thompson say these things with a straight face?

and, like, pretend that the media hasn't spent the last 8 years, erm, worshipping at the foot of the master, to borrow a phrase. the media has LOVED McCain.

i also can't stand this faux-down-home-ness stuff. yuck.
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:23 PM   #24
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McCain did suffer. how awful. just awful.

i am very happy he's gone on to a life of significant distinction and apparent happiness since his unspeakable ordeal.
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:26 PM   #25
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Thompson's speech is outstanding.
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:34 PM   #26
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Irvine suggested I make my self-righteous posts in here...

Oh no. Thompson is now recapping John McCain's POW experience. I will not be able to tolerate the spasms/convulsions that I'm sure every Obama supporter is going through now. How dare they bring up stuff that has nothing to do with qualifications for being president!
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Irvine suggested I make my self-righteous posts in here...

Oh no. Thompson is now recapping John McCain's POW experience. I will not be able to tolerate the spasms/convulsions that I'm sure every Obama supporter is going through now. How dare they bring up stuff that has nothing to do with qualifications for being president!



McCain did suffer. how awful. just awful.

i am very happy he's gone on to a life of significant distinction and apparent happiness since his unspeakable ordeal.
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Irvine...

I guess I'm so jaded... but I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. Unfortunately, I've read one too many seething posts... by you or otherwise.

I'm sorry.
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:39 PM   #29
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Irvine...

I guess I'm so jaded... but I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not. Unfortunately, I've read one too many seething posts... by you or otherwise.

I'm sorry.


it was meant to be 100% sincere.

i'm also a bit dismayed that we don't seem to be able to make the distinction that saying that by virtue of being a POW, one is qualified to be president, or to bring up the tragedy of being a POW when asked about the amount of houses one owns is entirely inappropriate to the issues at hand.

of course being a POW is relevant to the McCain story, to McCain the man, to understanding him. and everyone, everyone in here acknowledges the hell he's been through, appreciates his service, and is grateful that he survived and has continued to serve his country.
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Old 09-02-2008, 09:43 PM   #30
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To summarize Thompson's speech:

"A good presidential candidate needs three things:

1. Character - John McCain has this because he was a POW.
2. Judgment - John McCain has this because he was a POW.
3. Leadership - John McCain has this because he was a POW."
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Apologies Irvine.

I believe we are too far apart on some of this stuff to even discuss. I'm unable to express my thoughts in a way that even comes close to making a dent in this presidential race - not even close.
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To summarize Thompson's speech:

"A good presidential candidate needs three things:

1. Character - John McCain has this because he was a POW.
2. Judgment - John McCain has this because he was a POW.
3. Leadership - John McCain has this because he was a POW."
That was the first 5 minutes. I found the rest actually quite interesting.
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Apologies Irvine.

I believe we are too far apart on some of this stuff to even discuss. I'm unable to express my thoughts in a way that even comes close to making a dent in this presidential race - not even close.


it's cool.
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That was the first 5 minutes. I found the rest actually quite interesting.


i found Thompson's biography of McCain quite interesting as well.

the rest ... red meat convention stuff.
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That was the first 5 minutes. I found the rest actually quite interesting.
The first five minutes? That was the whole speech until he started ripping into Obama. There were two sections to his speech:

1. John McCain should be president because he was a POW.
2. Obama sucks.
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Go ahead and fly which ever the way you think the wind blows.
You won't go any further in any party..
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He told the story of it very well, actually surprising me with his conviction.

But he did nothing to actually make a reasonable argument for McCain as president.
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Philly,

What's probably horribly sad to you is that I agree, that

To summarize Thompson's speech:

"A good presidential candidate needs three things:

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1. Character - John McCain has this because he was a POW.
2. Judgment - John McCain has this because he was a POW.
3. Leadership - John McCain has this because he was a POW."
That these attributes were PROVEN during that experience, and have been applied over and over again through his life, from that experience.

Do you not think that events like this in people's lives shape their character?
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did the crowd just boo when Lieberman mentioned "global warming."
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Philly,

What's probably horribly sad to you is that I agree, that

To summarize Thompson's speech:

"A good presidential candidate needs three things:



That these attributes were PROVEN during that experience, and have been applied over and over again through his life, from that experience.

Do you not think that events like this in people's lives shape their character?
Shape parts of their character, yes. Not wholly, as I don't think anything wholly defines someone. But I think it has no bearing in his judgment as president, and in the end, judgment is the thing I take issue most with when it comes to McCain as a presidential candidate.
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