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#61 |
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I think it's very significant that your first response was, 'won't anyone think of the guns?' first.
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I'd love to effectively ban guns. Australia and Scotland essentially did just that. I blame the NRA -- a terrorist organization that has caused the death of more Americans than ISIS or AQ could ever dream of -- and ordinary gun owners for preventing such a thing from ever occurring in this country. I do blame gun owners. More guns, more gun crimes. You are no better than someone who buys heroin or meth or cocaine -- you are supporting an industry of mass death. And it's your insistence on "rights" and willingness to protect this misunderstood interpretation of the Constitution that has created a country where mass shootings are commonplace. |
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The Male
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I actually agree with a lot of what you say, but there's something very defensive about the post too, which is understandable considering you took personal offense to Irvine's post. But as you said, it's time to set the bullshit aside and find common ground. There's a problem. The vast majority agree on that. Ignoring the fringe idiots on either side, let's figure this out. Because what's really disgusting is that this is treated as a partisan issue. |
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No, my first response was outrage of being blamed for this tragedy. And why do I need to repeat what everyone else is saying about how horrible and senseless this was? I'm just trying to add another perspective to the conversation here. I certainly respect other people's opinions so long as they respect mine.
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The Male
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And then of course Irvine writes his post while I write mine.
![]() We're not banning guns. This is a country built by cowboys and conquest. It would be nice, but it won't happen. |
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1. I blame the gun he used. A knife or a rock wouldn't have accomplished the task. 2. You can't tell the difference between an accident and a homicide? 3. Mental health is a distraction. Of course it needs to be better. We have no more crazy people than any other country. But we do have more guns. Do the math. It's the guns the guns the guns. We could also talk about the stigmatization of the mentally ill -- most of whom are harmless -- but gun owners don't want to admit that, since they lose their easy explanation/excuse for the endless stream of violence they facilitate. 4. The 2nd Amendment has been wildly misinterpreted. 5. I agree with gun violence and drug use having the same "root causes." But this proves my point -- the presence of a gun in ANY situation raises the likelihood of death. It's very simple. Guns kill people. That's what they are built to do. 6. A few weeks ago, and just a few blocks from me, a kid was hit in the head by a stray bullet as he got out of a taxi. As a gun owner, and as someone who believes in his "right" to bear arms, you have contributed to that young man's death. |
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I don't actually believe that guns would be banned. But that doesn't stop some from calling for it and pretending the second amendment doesn't exist. Or that it's somehow been misinterpreted for the past two and a half centuries since it was created, which I don't understand.
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Virginia is a very easy place to get a gun. That's where DC guns come from. That's where this man purchased the gun that he used to me see two people. Why do you think it's so easy to get a gun in Virginia? NRA HQ is right there off 66 in Fairfax. |
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“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” What member of a well-regulated militia was this gentleman a part of? We have a military and a National Guard. |
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If you'd like it have it licensed, registered, and stored at the hunting club, I have no problems with that. Sign it out and then back in when you're done. What's insane is not understanding how you're part of the problem here. |
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It's a useful distraction. Inefficient background checks are a useful distraction. Poverty is a useful distraction. If gun homicide leads to the improvement of mental health treatments, background checks and bans on obscenely dangerous assault weapons for civilians (which is where I start to question the limitations of the 2nd amendment), I call that making lemons into lemonade. Because a call for an outright ban is going to hit a brick wall.
I respect your passion on this issue though, I really do, and at heart share it. |
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There are smart ways to do this. Other countries have done this. It wasn't until the 1980s that gun ownership was seen as absolute. We can make America great again. |
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When I went to NYC to see U2 last month, the possibility of getting shot was always in the back of my mind. Is it rational or even healthy to think this? Definitely not. But every once in a while, whether it's when we were in line, or at a restaurant, the thought of getting caught in a mass shooting entered my mind.
The only time I think this is when I go to the United States. These thoughts literally never come to mind in my travels anywhere else in the world. Like, seriously, how can anyone deny that the U.S. has a problem on its hands, something which is not the case in every other developed country in the world? Numbers don't lie.
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I'm getting so frustrated with the whole "knives/cars" comparisons that always seem to come up in these debates. Yes, knives and cars have been used to commit murder. Absolutely.
But that is not their only use. That is not what they were designed for. They have plenty of non-violent uses. Guns? Not so much. Their ONLY purpose is to injure or kill humans or animals. That's it. Nothing else. Therefore, it seems blatantly obvious to me that they would be regulated and dealt with differently than knives and cars would. And it just flat out boggles my mind how, every single time this issue comes up, we can blame any and everything else under the sun for these crimes-video games, violent shows and films, mental illness, etc.-except for the very weapon that actually killed these people. WHY is the actual thing that killed somebody so sacred that we can't dare scrutinize it or criticize how guns are treated/handled by their owners, or question why someone thinks they need to have an entire arsenal of weapons in their home that no average citizen should ever even want, let alone need, to own. Weapons that should solely be relegated to law enforcement and military use, mind, and even then, should be used sparingly at that. I saw a story on Larry Wilmore's show some time back about some place that banned or restricted the sale of toy guns. Toy guns. Fake guns that will not hurt or kill anyone. You (general you) mean to tell me that we can do that for toy guns but when it comes to the real thing we just kind of have to shrug and go, "Eh, people are going to shoot people no matter what, what're ya gonna do?" No. These people were struck down by a gun. That is an inarguable fact. The person who shot them clearly should not have had any sort of access to getting a gun. That is also an inarguable fact. And it is high time we finally actually address this issue, because I am beyond sick and tired of going online or turning on the news and hearing about these kinds of stories seemingly every other damned week. I live in an area of the country where people own guns, and lots of them, and as a result, every story of this sort that I hear makes me a little more nervous. Especially considering how...unstable...some of the gun owners around here tend to be. The pro-gun side cannot continue to keep sticking their collective heads in the sand on this issue anymore. They just can't. At some point, all these innocent people who've died have to start taking precedence over people's precious weapons, the vast majority of which I'm pretty sure they can live without owning. |
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#79 |
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Guns are obviously not the problem. Guns and gun access laws are totally not the reason why there are so many gun related homicides in the US, compared to the rest of the world...
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While I'm so saddened for the family's and coworkers and friends of these two innocents what's becoming alarming to myself is how I'm reacting to this. In years past I would be so upset over this and prolly on here spouting off about the NRA and gun control and the Impaler would be answering me that the shooter was the victim in all of this and somehow I'm partly to blame...... My desensitization is more alarming than the actual act, it's alarming to me, the things that I know will be true:
__________________1>. The gun debate will rage for a few weeks 2>. Politicians will get on their soapboxes and proclaim this is the time that they shall stop this senseless violence. 3>. The above politicians will count on the short attention span of the general American citizen will be then more worried about who The Bachlorette will pick or who to vote off of Dancing With The Stars 4>. This will be forgotten until.... 5>. It happens again 6>. Repeat steps 1-5 Thinking gun control only would stop this is stupid, deflecting the point onto mental illness is also stupid...... but doing nothing (which I'm sure will happen) is what we Americans are going to get, no leadership in government with all of the elected officials deeply embedded in the NRA's pockets is what to expect. |
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