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Old 09-19-2016, 06:33 PM   #121
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The attacker would have been able to finish off some of the wounded had he not been there.


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Old 09-19-2016, 06:50 PM   #122
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The attacker would have been able to finish off some of the wounded had he not been there.


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If the attacker had a gun we'd be talking about 20 dead.
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How about that 'good guy with a gun' taking down the St. Cloud attacker?
Yeah, see, here's the thing: unlike your average gun owner, that officer was properly and professionally trained, and therefore knew precisely how to take out the threat without putting other people in harm's way.

Also, I"ll remind you that in many of the attacks in recent years that DID include some maniac armed with guns, if they didn't kill themselves, they were often stopped by people simply tackling them and holding them down.
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Old 09-19-2016, 07:50 PM   #124
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Yeah, see, here's the thing: unlike your average gun owner, that officer was properly and professionally trained, and therefore knew precisely how to take out the threat without putting other people in harm's way.

Also, I"ll remind you that in many of the attacks in recent years that DID include some maniac armed with guns, if they didn't kill themselves, they were often stopped by people simply tackling them and holding them down.
He didn't have to be carrying, but chose to.
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So? Even taking that into account, the fact remains that he's still far more capable of handling that kind of takedown than your average citizen who ISN'T a trained law enforcement official.
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Old 09-19-2016, 08:29 PM   #126
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No sense in arguing. I'd rather be in the mall with an average citizen who has a gun. Chances are if they have a license to conceal carry the know how to use it. Maybe just pulling it will do the trick and scare off the attacker
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No sense in arguing. I'd rather be in the mall with an average citizen who has a gun. Chances are if they have a license to conceal carry the know how to use it. Maybe just pulling it will do the trick and scare off the attacker
I'd rather be in a mall where nobody has a gun.

Why my 10 month old needs to be in a mall with guns AND that should be seen as a good thing I will never understand.
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I'd rather be in a mall where nobody has a gun.

Why my 10 month old needs to be in a mall with guns AND that should be seen as a good thing I will never understand.
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So? Even taking that into account, the fact remains that he's still far more capable of handling that kind of takedown than your average citizen who ISN'T a trained law enforcement official.
That was point as well. I've been very vocal in that I don't think people should not have guns, I just think properly trained and qualified people should.
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Yep. I have zero desire to ever personally own a gun, myself, but if somebody knows how to handle a gun responsibly, I have no problem with them owning one if they so wish.

I do not get people demanding to carry their guns in every single freaking public place imaginable, though.
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I'd rather be in a mall where nobody has a gun.

Why my 10 month old needs to be in a mall with guns AND that should be seen as a good thing I will never understand.
A good reason to live in Canada instead of the U S.
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How about that 'good guy with a gun' taking down the St. Cloud attacker?


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We mean the big 2nd amendment advocate that strongly believes citizens should have a right to carry guns to protect themselves and others from others that want to harm other people including trying to kill them, even without guns. Sometimes they use bombs and ice cream trucks.
No doubt about it. A good guy with a gun saved the day. You can't really argue that fact.

Have yourselves a pat on the back, fellas. You're now 1 for 5,000.
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No sense in arguing. I'd rather be in the mall with an average citizen who has a gun. Chances are if they have a license to conceal carry the know how to use it. Maybe just pulling it will do the trick and scare off the attacker
But in mass shooting type situations, the perpetrator is often planning on being dead by the end of it anyway, either by suicide or suicide-by-cop, so I doubt another person with a gun would deter them much.

Additionally, an average citizen with a gun may know how to use it properly at a gun range or in some other controlled setting where they know what's going to happen before it happens, but in an unexpected real-life scenario where the citizen is afraid and anxious, I wouldn't count on them being able to just coolly take out the perpetrator. I would count on there being misfire. It could make the situation more dangerous than it already was.
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The idea that a "good guy" with a gun will save you is much like that episode of The Simpsons where Lisa has a rock that keeps away bears.

And all the supporters of keeping Americans more heavily armed than a normal country's military are the gullible Homers of the situation.
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Here's a hypothetical. You are in an active shooter situation with one assailant who has people cornered and is popping them off one by one. You are in the crowd. A mortally wounded concealed carry holder hands you his gun. Gives you instructions on how to use it. Maybe you have experience with firearms or not at all. But the dying man has give you instructions on how to empty the clip of 9 shots.

Do you use the firearm to kill or wound the assailant?

Do you hand it to somebody else?

Do you take your chances and do nothing, hoping the Swat team breaks in at any moment?

I have some experience with a 9 mm handgun, so I take the shot.


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Here's a hypothetical. You are in an active shooter situation with one assailant who has people cornered and is popping them off one by one. You are in the crowd. A mortally wounded concealed carry holder hands you his gun. Gives you instructions on how to use it.
Bam! You're dead. The talking gave you away.








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