Random FYM Thread

[MrsSpringsteen]

I'm waiting to see Stormy Daniels on The View and they said that Kendrick Lamar won a Pulitzer Prize. That's cool.

Ronan Farrow did too. He is a true journalist and a very smart man. Very good looking too.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Very good looking too.

i don't disagree with this (yea he's really hot), but this bit also kinda rubs me the wrong way. it would likely be considered rather tacky if i were to post the names of the female winners, and then out of nowhere add on a comment about their looks. especially considering the content of the articles they won the prize for. it's a prize for writing, their appearance is totally irrelevant to that accomplishment.

[bono_212]

Hah!

[MrsSpringsteen]

Jesus it was just a random comment based on being up since 4 am that wasn't meant to denigrate his accomplishment in any way. I mentioned first that he's smart, he could look like Quasimodo for all that I care . I'll edit that out to comply.

Considering that women here have often been referred to as the c word over the years, and the woman running for President a witch...hardly a major transgression by comparison.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by bono_212

Hah!

Hah! Funny

[bono_212]

I wrote about four different posts trying to explain how angry that made me and ended up feeling like that was the only appropriate one.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Jesus it was just a random comment based on being up since 4 am that wasn't meant to denigrate his accomplishment in any way. I mentioned first that he's smart, he could look like Quasimodo for all that I care . I'll edit that out to comply.

Considering that women here have often been referred to as the c word over the years, and the woman running for President a witch...hardly a major transgression by comparison.

i know you didn't have any negative intention with it and if i implied that, i didn't mean to. i also didn't mean to imply that it was anything major. i'm not offended by it. it just irked me a bit.

however like i said, consider if i posted that a female scientist had just won the nobel prize for chemistry, and tacked on "and she's really hot too" at the end of it. completely irrelevant and unnecessary and i have a strong suspicion that i would rightfully be called out for it being sexist.

if it's sexist one way, reversing the genders doesn't make it suddenly not-sexist.

as far as your second point goes, i certainly have never called anyone on this board a cunt with any sort of malice or in any way other than affectionately (like the aussies do). nor have i ever referred to any woman who wasn't in costume, or in a movie or nursery rhyme as a "witch". so i don't know why you brought that up in reference to anything i have said. in any case we've been over this more than once before. people of all genders on this board regularly call people dicks, cocks, pricks etc without any issue whatsoever. it's absolutely a double standard if being called a cunt is a grievous, malicious insult on one hand but it's totally fine to call someone a dick. i hate double standards of all kinds. for the record i think completely ridiculous to get that offended over the use of either term.

Originally Posted by bono_212

I wrote about four different posts trying to explain how angry that made me and ended up feeling like that was the only appropriate one.

my post made you that angry? i don't understand how that's possible. please elaborate. i'd actually like to have this discussion.

[bono_212]

Oh so you think it's ridiculous to find the C-word insulting so that means it's Ok to use it because the Aussies do?

I find it just as offensive every single time one of the Aussies use it, no matter how culturally normal it is for them to do so. Fucking golliwogs don't seem to be considered offensive over there, either, or at least weren't til recently. That doesn't mean they're OK.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Dave, honestly I don't give a damn that it irks you. I have much bigger fish to fry in my life. I'm here simply in desperation for a diversion in what I'm dealing with. But I'm done with it again. Don't need or want the bullshit. And that's what it is.

[anitram]

MrsS, hope you are coping ok, I know it’s the worst time.

Ronan Farrow totally looks like Frank Sinatra.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Sending a , MrsS, along with some well wishes and good thoughts. Take care.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by bono_212

Oh so you think it's ridiculous to find the C-word insulting so that means it's Ok to use it because the Aussies do?

I find it just as offensive every single time one of the Aussies use it, no matter how culturally normal it is for them to do so. Fucking golliwogs don't seem to be considered offensive over there, either, or at least weren't til recently. That doesn't mean they're OK.

i think it's a bit much to find any one word that isn't being used as a direct slur that horribly offensive, to be completely honest. if someone is calling a you that word with the intention of using it as a directly gendered insult, then sure, be insulted. i certainly have never used it that way and i certainly never will. sorry that it personally upsets you so much but expecting everyone else to tailor their speech to your feelings and then getting angry and offended when that doesn't happen is rather self-centered, in my opinion.

and not to make this personal or anything but a quick forum search shows that you have no problem directly calling men dicks from time to time. it's not okay to find one gendered word so utterly offensive you can't even bear to read it, while at the same time freely using the other gender's equivalent word as a direct insult.

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

Dave, honestly I don't give a damn that it irks you. I have much bigger fish to fry in my life. I'm here simply in desperation for a diversion in what I'm dealing with. But I'm done with it again. Don't need or want the bullshit. And that's what it is.

it seems you completely misunderstood my intention here, but that's fine if you don't want to discuss it. i hope whatever is going on that it works out for the best soon.

[bono_212]

I think it's pretty obvious that the world doesn't view those two words as similar, we've discussed this in the past, in fact, as this is not the first time you've ardently argued for your right to use a word that women clearly find more offensive then men find the word dick.

And that's the thing, use it away, but I am still going to be offended by it. That's your right/prerogative, as well as it is mine.

[bono_212]

I just find it hilarious that you come in here white knighting like, "Women would be so offended if I said this about a woman" and then in the same post defending your right to throw around that word like it's meaningless and not used as an incredibly derogatory slur.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by anitram

MrsS, hope you are coping ok, I know it’s the worst time.

Ronan Farrow totally looks like Frank Sinatra.

He certainly does not look like Woody Allen.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by bono_212

I think it's pretty obvious that the world doesn't view those two words as similar, we've discussed this in the past, in fact, as this is not the first time you've ardently argued for your right to use a word that women clearly find more offensive then men find the word dick.

so how "the world" views those words is relevant, except when it's the australians?

and that's my entire point. either they're both equally offensive, or they both are not. anything else is a sexist double standard. i'm of the opinion that they should both be considered equally inoffensive. it's fine to hold the opposite opinion, but at least be consistent one way or the other is all I'm saying.

good to know as well that apparently according to the reaction to my original post it's totally fine going forward to comment on a woman's attractiveness any time she accomplishes something, regardless of whether it is relevant or not, and that it will definitely not be called out as sexist when that happens.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by bono_212

I just find it hilarious that you come in here white knighting like, "Women would be so offended if I said this about a woman" and then in the same post defending your right to throw around that word like it's meaningless and not used as an incredibly derogatory slur.

if you go back and read what i actually wrote you'll notice that in my initial post (the one that somehow made you so mad you had to rewrite your reply four times), i never used that word or referenced it at all, and only started that particular discussion after someone else brought it up, despite it having no relevancy at all to anything i said in my initial post.

so what you apparently find so "hilarious" and are accusing me of doing is something that literally did not happen.

i'd really appreciate an answer if you don't mind to the question that i initially asked before you went off on a wild angry tangent at me about a single word that *someone else* first mentioned: what was it about that initial post made you so angry that you had to reword it four times before giving up and only posting a single word? you haven't addressed any of the content of that post. i'd like to know what's so horribly wrong with it.

[LuckyNumber7]

Guys i think it’s pretty easy to just say know your audience and detect intent.

There’s nothing wrong with an Australian saying “cunt” if in Australia it has no connotation of insult. That doesn’t mean it’s socially acceptable to say it to an American. At Disney, they don’t use the word “fanny pack” because, well, a fanny is a vagina to British folks. Know your audience.

It’s just a word. Language is subjectively and circumstantially defined. Nothing is stopping society from rearranging the meaning of “yes” to “no” and “no” to “yes.”

I don’t get why his is such a big deal. Fuck shit bitch dick ass. Who cares??? These words shouldn’t insult anyone, there’s no connotation.

Heck, there’s a perfect example. The word bitch. Quit your bitching. Fine. That test was a bitch. Fine. She’s a bitch ... he’s a bitch ... well, this could easily be identified as comparing a woman to a dog, or comparing a man to a woman so as to suggest women are weaker in some aspects. Offensive.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by DaveC

so how "the world" views those words is relevant, except when it's the australians?

Well given that Australia isn’t real, yeah pretty much.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by BVS

Well given that Australia isn’t real, yeah pretty much.