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Old 05-16-2015, 11:06 AM   #881
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this article, the video, and the witness accounts are a stark reminder of how we really should hold our opinions until all the facts are presented... and how the media quickly jumping on a certain narrative, one way or the other, can sway public opinion before all the facts are actually known.

in this particular instance it was the police officers who were on the wrong side of false accounts, but god knows it happens the other way, too.

we're all so quick to judge one way or another without actually knowing the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
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this article, the video, and the witness accounts are a stark reminder of how we really should hold our opinions until all the facts are presented... and how the media quickly jumping on a certain narrative, one way or the other, can sway public opinion before all the facts are actually known.

in this particular instance it was the police officers who were on the wrong side of false accounts, but god knows it happens the other way, too.

we're all so quick to judge one way or another without actually knowing the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.
Interesting find.... what makes truth... who's reality?
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MORE white violence. where are the fathers? where are the white leaders speaking out against this kind of violence that plagues middle aged, moderately overweight white men?

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WACO, Tex. — The police charged about 170 people on Monday in the shootout among rival motorcycle gangs at a busy shopping plaza in this Central Texas city on Sunday that left at least nine bikers dead and 18 others wounded.

Law enforcement officials said the midday gun battle was primarily between the Bandidos and Cossacks gangs, a continuation of a long-running feud between the two groups, though members of the Scimitars — a gang affiliated with the Cossacks — and two other motorcycle clubs were also involved.

The people arrested after the shootout at the Twin Peaks restaurant, in south Waco, were charged with engaging in organized crime linked to capital murder, said Sgt. Patrick Swanton, a Waco Police Department spokesman. It will be up to prosecutors and a grand jury to decide what charges they will ultimately face, but capital murder charges can carry the death penalty.

The episode, which left the restaurant and its parking lot littered with bullet shell casings and blood spatters, was so large and chaotic that for several hours the police were not sure how many people they had detained. Sergeant Swanton said Monday morning that the figure was 192 but he later revised it to 170, warning that it might change again, and said that rather than overwhelm the jail, the police used Waco’s Convention Center as a staging area overnight to hold those arrested.

The gang members were appearing before two magistrates, who were setting bond at $1 million each, said Sue Tweedle, the McLennan County booking supervisor. None of the gang members had posted bond as of yet.

With hundreds of bikers gathered at the restaurant, at the Central Texas Marketplace shopping plaza just off Interstate 35, the police anticipated trouble and were out in force before the confrontation. There were 18 Waco officers and four Texas Department of Public Safety officers there, and they closed in “within 30, 45 seconds” of the start of shooting, Sergeant Swanton said.

“There were multiple people on the scene firing weapons at each other,” Sergeant Swanton said. “They then turned on our officers. Our officers returned gunfire, wounding and possibly killing several.”

“The number of shots, who shot who and all of that will be part of our investigative process and won’t be released right away,” he added.

The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission suspended the restaurant’s liquor license for at least a week while it investigates the shootout. A spokesman for the Twin Peaks restaurant chain said on Monday that it was revoking the franchise agreement with the operators of the Waco restaurant.

The gunfire erupted about 12:15 p.m. on Sunday. Sergeant Swanton said the violence began in a restaurant restroom, and then spilled into the parking lot, initially involving just fists and feet, but escalating quickly to chains, knives, clubs and firearms. He said shots were fired both inside and outside.

Law enforcement officials said the shootout was the worst violence in the Waco area since the siege on the Branch Davidian compound in 1993 that left 86 people dead. On Sunday, eight members of motorcycle clubs were killed at the scene and another died at a hospital, Sergeant Swanton said. The injured were taken to hospitals with gunshot and stab wounds.

No officers, shoppers or bystanders were hurt. The authorities said their decision to place officers outside the restaurant before the gunfire erupted most likely saved lives.

Both the Bandidos and the Cossacks originated in Texas in the 1960s, according to law enforcement officials and gang historians. Last year, two members of the Bandidos, including the president of the Abilene chapter, were indicted on charges of stabbing two other men, in what the police said was a conflict with the Cossacks.

“The view of the Bandidos is that Texas is their state,” said Terry Katz, vice president of the International Association of Outlaw Motorcycle Gang Investigators, a group of about 600 analysts, investigators, police officers and prosecutors. The Bandidos “are the big dogs of Texas,” he said, but the smaller Cossacks gang was “not going to bow down,” and there has been a series of violent confrontations between them.

Bikers were gathering at the Twin Peaks restaurant for a regional meeting of the Confederation of Clubs and Independents, an umbrella group for rival gangs and other motorcyclists to discuss matters of mutual interest. The Bandidos are part of the confederation, but the Cossacks are not, said Gimmi Jimmy, national ambassador for the Bandidos and chairman of a statewide coalition of motorcycle clubs in Texas.

“The only reason I am not in jail is that I got there late,” Mr. Jimmy said. “We have been doing this for 18 years and we never had a problem.”

He said about 200 bikers were there for the meeting, and about 50 to 60 from rival groups like the Cossacks and Scimitars. One of those killed was a Bandido, he said, and the rest were their opponents.

The Bandidos are one of the few major biker gangs in the United States and the world; a 2013 national gang report produced by federal law enforcement agencies identified the Bandidos as one of five motorcycle groups — in addition to the Hells Angels, Pagans, Outlaws and Iron Horsemen — that posed the most significant gang threat around the country. Members of the Bandidos, whose motto is “We are the people our parents warned us about,” have been arrested in several states on drug, weapons and racketeering charges and have been involved in deadly feuds around the world.

Randy McBee, an associate professor of history at Texas Tech University who studies motorcycle culture, said recent biker violence at casinos in Laughlin and Sparks, Nev., and now in Waco, suggests that the gangs have grown more willing to take their feuds to crowded places where others can get hurt.

“I am starting to think that the violence is getting worse than in the ‘60s and ‘70s,” he said. “It seems more brazen: people pulling out guns and knives in the middle of a casino or a strip mall — very public places with lots of bystanders.”

In the 1990s, a turf war broke out between gangs aligned with the Bandidos and the Hells Angels Motorcycle Club in Finland, Sweden, Denmark and Norway. Several members of the Bandidos and the Hells Angels were killed or wounded in the Nordic feud. In 1996, a shoulder-launched antitank grenade was fired at a Hells Angels headquarters in Copenhagen, Denmark, killing two people and injuring 15 others. The next year, a bombing destroyed the Norwegian headquarters of the Bandidos gang, killing a passer-by.

During the feud, one Bandidos slogan was displayed on signs carried by the mourners attending the funeral for a slain Bandidos member in Denmark: “God forgives. Bandidos don’t.”

And yet the Bandidos group has at times sought to portray itself as a legitimate organization of nonconformists that had been unfairly targeted by law enforcement. A gang report by the Texas Department of Public Safety issued last year noted that the Bandidos “seek to turn public sentiment in their favor by organizing frequent charity runs.” In 2001, Jan Christensen, who is known as “The Man” and was vice president of the Bandidos’ Northwest Houston chapter at the time, told The Houston Chronicle, “Mainstream America should be more like us. We’re all very honorable men.”

The Twin Peaks Restaurant had hosted motorcycle gang members in the past, the police said. The authorities made little effort on Sunday to conceal their frustration with the restaurant’s managers, who they said had previously been uncooperative in dealing with the Police Department’s security concerns about biker gatherings there.

“We’ve been here over the past two months because of the problems we’ve had with biker gangs here at Twin Peaks,” Sergeant Swanton said. “We have attempted to work with the local management of Twin Peaks to no avail. They have continued to allow these bikers to gather here, and this is the culmination of what has occurred.”

He added: “What happened here today could have been avoided if we had had management at a local establishment listen to their police department and assist us. They failed to do that.”

The gangs know they are under surveillance in such a public place, Mr. Katz said, “but once it goes down, the thinking is, ‘I don’t care if I get arrested or killed — I have to stand and fight because the club requires me to represent.’ ” The Bandidos and other biker gangs reward members with patches and pins for fighting.

Jay Patel, operating partner of the Twin Peaks franchise in Waco, issued a statement Sunday night defending the restaurant’s dealings with the police and saying that the managers “share in the community’s trauma.”

“Our priority is to provide a safe and enjoyable environment for our customers and employees, and we consider the police our partners in doing so,” Mr. Patel’s statement read. “Our management team has had ongoing and positive communications with the police, and we will continue to work with them as we all want to keep violent crime out of our businesses and community.”

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Old 05-19-2015, 09:56 AM   #884
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I, for one, blame gun culture, abstinence only sex education, and country music.
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It is quite fucked looking at coverage of police brutality against blacks and the protests vs the coverage of this shooting. Just goes to show how ingrained this mindset is.
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Old 05-19-2015, 10:53 AM   #886
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It is quite fucked looking at coverage of police brutality against blacks and the protests vs the coverage of this shooting. Just goes to show how ingrained this mindset is.
It's incredible, really. Nobody asks "where are the fathers", "why are they shooting their own neighborhood", nobody calls them "thugs".

But it's not really just the media coverage. It's the difference in the police reaction. The members of the biker gangs were allowed to sit on the curb and use their cell phones while waiting to be processed by the police. No rough ride, militarized response or anything of the sort (as it should be).

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It's incredible, really. Nobody asks "where are the fathers", "why are they shooting their own neighborhood", nobody calls them "thugs".

But it's not really just the media coverage. It's the difference in the police reaction. The members of the biker gangs were allowed to sit on the curb and use their cell phones while waiting to be processed by the police. No rough ride, militarized response or anything of the sort (as it should be).

So while you're right on the media and political response to the situation and their choice of words, you're not 100% accurate on the police response.

The police response was heavy, quick and very much "militarized."

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by all accounts, it seems the Waco police did a very good job keeping this contained. it's astonishing that no one other than gang members were injured, let alone killed.
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Here's a white cop forcibly manhandling an unarmed black teenage girl and then pulling a gun on two unarmed black teenage boys. Completely reasonable response!

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There's also footage of two adult white women attacking the same black teenagers. This sort of footage is very important and I hope people don't stop filming.
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When that cop is unemployed, he can spend his days watching the video of himself wiping out while running over and over...its gold.
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There's also footage of two adult white women attacking the same black teenagers. This sort of footage is very important and I hope people don't stop filming.
The footage was taken by a white kid who said the cops ignored him the entire time to focus on the minorities.
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i've done some reading on this, and read explicitly conservative sites so that i can try and get a full picture, biased and all, and watched the video a few times.

it does seem like the cops should have been there. it sounds like there was a party promoted on social media and held in a public space that spun out of control when attendees jumped the fence of a private, neighborhood pool. i would have called the cops too.

if you watch the beginning of the video, this particular cop seems to have the situation under control. he orders a bunch of teens (all black) to sit on the ground, and they all do as they are told. and then, for reasons i still can't understand, he gets really rough with that girl in the bikini. and that's when things escalate, and understandably so. it's clear the officer was likely scared and "hot," as they say, and i can almost understand why he would draw a gun if he was feeling threatened by people coming to the girl's aid -- it's a tense situation, he doesn't know who these people are, and he's outnumbered. that's actually the least bad thing i can see.

i'm stunned as to why he did what he did to this girl -- it's like he snapped and took it out on her, causing a situation to boil over when it seemed like it was under control and the crowed was dispersing. he is so rough with her for no discernable reason.

other than the obvious one.
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the whole thing is one bad can of worms

with a lot of people this will only be an 'either / or " situation

even as I write this I know it can be construed as giving cover of a 'racist' cop

there are so many moving parts here, and that video looks bad. I am happy no one got beat, clubbed, tasered or shot. I am leery of believing whatever I read online. Sadly there is sometimes total bullshit circulating.

A private association pool being over ran by outsiders is a violation of the association rules. But next we will have to find out if any of the other residents invited 30 people over for a graduation, anniversary party and no one cared.

Now with a few seconds of video and social media everyone is able to rush to judgement and make a call to support what 'they know' really happened.
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I'm not really sure any of that even matters. The means to which he took down the girl was excessive. The other cops were able to maintain without getting personal. And why in the hell was the one plain clothed man allowed to just keep wandering around the scene basically shadowing the cop? All non cops should be told to clear the scene or keep a safe distance. The whole thing was unprofessional.


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And why in the hell was the one plain clothed man allowed to just keep wandering around the scene basically shadowing the cop? All non cops should be told to clear the scene or keep a safe distance. The whole thing was unprofessional.
Because he is white.
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