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Old 08-17-2014, 11:30 AM   #61
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Not fair to jump so quickly to the conclusion that Brown actually stole anything.
Or that the cop believed he was a suspect in the alleged robbery.
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Old 08-17-2014, 11:58 AM   #62
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You guys are boring...
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Old 08-17-2014, 12:00 PM   #63
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Much of this could have been avoided (other than Brown still being dead, unfortunately) if the police had gotten their shit together to release information. We're supposed to trust their story when it takes them days to get their story together?

And right after the cops release the robbery stills, there's a statement from the police saying "oh, but it had nothing to do with him being pulled over." ... okay?

EVEN IF it turns out the shooting was even remotely somewhat justified, it was their lack of response that led to this clusterfuck.
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Old 08-17-2014, 12:19 PM   #64
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The entire point of releasing the robbery stills was to let people's mind wander to the subject of Michael Brown's character even though it was, and still is, totally irrelevant.
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Old 08-17-2014, 12:21 PM   #65
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You guys are boring...

But you on the other hand have been oh so interesting...


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It is like what do you expect young people to be in these marginalised communities? It doesn't create saints, but it also doesn't create monsters who need to be gunned down.


But fear is important.

How else do you get not-quite-as-poor people to buy guns and vote Republican?


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Old 08-17-2014, 01:23 PM   #67
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Why is it that every so often in this forum the charge comes around that racism is a media/liberal conspiracy meant to oppress decent, hard-working white people?


And charges of racism are actually worse than racism itself.


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You guys are boring...
Were your previous posts an attempt to troll the forum to get a reaction? Because they're certainly not the usual considered thoughts I expect from you.

I certainly didn't expect you to say that if you punch a cop you get what's coming to you, including being killed.
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The entire point of releasing the robbery stills was to let people's mind wander to the subject of Michael Brown's character even though it was, and still is, totally irrelevant.
Exactly. To Aeon and everyone who is stating that because Michael Brown stole some $5 cigarellos and pushed a convenience clerk out of the way who was attempting to block his escape, he must be A Very Bad Man who deserved whatever came his way, the police chief himself has stated, numerous times, that the robbery was in no way connected to Officer Wilson confronting these two teens.
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I didn't know the US now implement martial-law for not nice characters.
Whether that guy was an angel or not is completely irrelevant. Lethal force is justified in a situation of self-defense. Someone not being nice is not self-defense.
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It's like that poor girl who was shot in Detroit for banging on someone's door trying to get help. "Oh, but she was stoned and/or drunk! She was driving impaired!"

Yes, that's bad. But it has nothing to do with her being shot for no damned good reason.

(Also, am so glad that guy got convicted.)
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I didn't know the US now implement martial-law for not nice characters.
Whether that guy was an angel or not is completely irrelevant. Lethal force is justified in a situation of self-defense. Someone not being nice is not self-defense.

yes but he was black and unarmed.
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Yes, that's bad. But it has nothing to do with her being shot for no damned good reason.

she was black and unarmed.
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you should probably put that under a spoiler tag or at least give us some kind of warning -- seeing a black teenager could be very upsetting for some white people. we don't want anyone shooting out their laptop screen at home.
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Exactly. To Aeon and everyone who is stating that because Michael Brown stole some $5 cigarellos and pushed a convenience clerk out of the way who was attempting to block his escape, he must be A Very Bad Man who deserved whatever came his way, the police chief himself has stated, numerous times, that the robbery was in no way connected to Officer Wilson confronting these two teens.
You are incorrect on several points:

1) I do not believe Michael Brown deserves "whatever came his way" for stealing cigarellos - but when you assault an officer, you will probably get shot. And there seems to be some good evidence coming in the officer was assaulted before the shooting.

2) The surveillance videos also point out that Michael Brown was certainly NOT a gentle giant. He used his size to intimidate and manhandle two clerks in the span of two minutes simply to get what he wanted. The fact that they were only worth 5 dollars actually tells me more about him than if he ripped off a diamond bracelet.

3) The police chief said the "initial" stop between Michael Brown and the officer was unrelated, however - that changed when Wilson drove past Michael...

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...At that point, Wilson "made the connection" that Brown might have been involved in a theft that had just been broadcast on police radio, Jackson said.
Chief: Officer noticed Brown carrying suspected stolen cigars

I agree with others that the police department has certainly mishandled the information about this incident. They are certainly at fault for that.
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Curious - if the forensic evidence points out that Michael Brown DID punch Darren Wilson in the face and DID rush toward the officer after being ordered to freeze - would that change your mind about this incident?
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but when you assault an officer, you will probably get shot.
And that's the problem!

Police officers are sworn to protect and serve. They are supposed to be trained to act professionally in tough situations, and to not flip out and overreact and shoot an unarmed teen to death because of a(n alleged) punch.
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Curious - if the forensic evidence points out that Michael Brown DID punch Darren Wilson in the face and DID rush toward the officer after being ordered to freeze - would that change your mind about this incident?

No


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Curious - if the forensic evidence points out that Michael Brown DID punch Darren Wilson in the face and DID rush toward the officer after being ordered to freeze - would that change your mind about this incident?
Not at all.
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