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Old 09-02-2014, 01:03 PM   #441
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But the biggest WTF moment is this; "you are a liberal and love black people". What?! And he's the racist?
This attitude seems to come up a lot, i.e. that Liberals have a conspiracy to elevate black and brown people into a hegemony over whites. I really wonder where this attitude comes from.
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Old 09-02-2014, 02:31 PM   #442
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It's the same thing as misogynists who think males who support feminism are just doing it to try to hook up with feminist girls. The worldview is so narrow that they don't grasp people genuinely having a different viewpoint; it must be a put on so that they get approval from people who are not like them. It's liberals who are so desperate for the approval of others that they'll ignore what they know to be true (think of how often you hear these people say they are "telling it like it is") and elevate women or people of color above themselves to score points with them.
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This attitude seems to come up a lot, i.e. that Liberals have a conspiracy to elevate black and brown people into a hegemony over whites. I really wonder where this attitude comes from.
Sometimes, I think it comes from the perception that in today's society - it is perfectly acceptable (if not outright encouraged) to point out the flaws in "white" culture, but it's unacceptable to point out the flaws in "other than white" culture without being labeled a bigot, racist, Uncle Tom....etc.

At least - I think that is the perception.
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Sometimes, I think it comes from the perception that in today's society - it is perfectly acceptable (if not outright encouraged) to point out the flaws in "white" culture, but it's unacceptable to point out the flaws in "other than white" culture without being labeled a bigot, racist, Uncle Tom....etc.



At least - I think that is the perception.

What is white culture?




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Because the large swath of white people who don't understand or refuse to recognize white privilege are a way, way bigger issue in this country than probably anything else in race relations.
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What is black culture?
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Because the large swath of white people who don't understand or refuse to recognize white privilege are a way, way bigger issue in this country than probably anything else in race relations.
Do the Japanese recognize Japanese privilege in Japan?
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think of it this way -- what is American culture? and how do you feel when non-Americans like to tell you everything they think you, as a representative of 310m people spread across a vast continent, should be doing differently.
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Do the Japanese recognize Japanese privilege in Japan?
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, Aeon - could you clarify?

Are you asking if the Japanese are more deserving of privilege in their society than other minority populations?
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think of it this way -- what is American culture? and how do you feel when non-Americans like to tell you everything they think you, as a representative of 310m people spread across a vast continent, should be doing differently.
I honestly try to listen. Usually some things are valid. American culture often seems violent, disposable, and celebrity-worshiping.
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I honestly try to listen. Usually some things are valid. American culture often seems violent, disposable, and celebrity-worshiping.

but do you think that's all it is?
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say here, Aeon - could you clarify?

Are you asking if the Japanese are more deserving of privilege in their society than other minority populations?
No, I am suggesting there will always be some "privilege" that one race gives to their own. It just so happens that whites (at least for now) are the majority in the US. The Japanese are the extreme majority in - well - Japan.

Since we try out best to be fair and civilized, we enact laws to prevent racial discrimination. However, I suspect there will always be at least some bias for our own race/culture.
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but do you think that's all it is?
Of course not - my point is that I am not offended by the criticism, that there is some truth to it.
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I suspect there will always be at least some bias for our own race/culture.
But a lot of white people, the people who have the institutionalized privilege, don't recognize that it even exists. Isn't that a pretty major issue?
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But a lot of white people, the people who have the institutionalized privilege, don't recognize that it even exists. Isn't that a pretty major issue?
I do not agree that there is much "institutionalized privilege" left. We've enacted the proper laws, and those laws need to be enforced. As for non-institutionalized privilege, I doubt that can ever be fully removed in any of us.
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"Institutional" isn't simply about the creation of laws. It also encompasses the inconsistent application of justice.
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What is black culture?

Exactly. I think as a society we should stay away from these lazy terms.


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Do the Japanese recognize Japanese privilege in Japan?
Not really, which is a large part of the problem they are having with their economy. They are insular, anti-immigrant and frankly structurally racist and ethnophobic as a society.

It isn't going to take them anywhere productive over the next 100 years.
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Not really, which is a large part of the problem they are having with their economy. They are insular, anti-immigrant and frankly structurally racist and ethnophobic as a society.

It isn't going to take them anywhere productive over the next 100 years.
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