Racism: glorified hyperbole in America

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LuckyNumber7 said:
It's usefulness does indeed show that the rate of violence is higher in African American demographics. That IS important. It's important because it shouldn't be happening. I'm a perfect world, we wouldn't have crime. In a great world, crime would be color blind and equal regardless of race. But crime data is tracked by the FBI and probably other agencies within the federal government for a reason. We don't live in a great world in this context.

I would go so far as to say your assertion is wrong that people tend to kill within their own ethnic groups. Well, depending on what you meant by it. I think that data suggests that people purely interact or live around their own ethnic groups.

But the correlation is important. We know it's not likely to be purely coincidence. Much like a college admission board, you want your admissions to match the demographics of both your state and your nation. It's just super important to establish the fact that just because two variables are correlated, does not mean one causes the other. There's no reason to suggest that being black simply makes you more likely to be violent. However, as we've all discussed, there is reason to suggest that poverty could/does influence crime. Both logically and quantitatively that can be supported. So, one rational conclusion to fight poverty in low income areas. What a surprise, those are disproportionately black!

You might think it's as simple as shrugging it off, but having numerous variables in play and observing several correlations at once are what allow us to have quantitative evidence for our claims. You could either tell someone "you're a racist for using the black on black argument" and develop a qualitative assessment of someone's choice of words, or you can quantitatively show them they're wrong with numbers. I think the latter proves a point.
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I think the issue is that the majority of those who use the term aren't thinking about it analytically, as you have here.

They see "black" as being the cause. So while the phrase in and of itself is descriptive and not necessarily racist, it becomes a lazy crutch for racists and those who just want to turn a blind eye to the real issues at hand (your subconscious racists, so to speak).

Both sides of the aisle be do this. It's not something that's unique to Republicans (or racists). We're a nation of extremes, where, for lack of a better phrase, it has to black or white, even if the reality is many shades of gray.
 
That looks 100% wrong, sounds like that cop is unfit and that victim will get a decent settlement. Glad the man was not more seriously injured.
 
if only these darn blacks would just listen to the police and do what they say, they won't get shot by the cops!

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musta been "reaching for something in his waistband"
 
glorified. hyperbole.

During the incident, the patient had a toy truck; Kinsey says he had been worried for the patient's safety and was surprised that he himself was shot — he tells Channel 7 that he had his hands up as high as he could get them, and had obeyed an order to lie on the ground. In a segment of the encounter with police that apparently wasn't captured on video, Kinsey was shot in the leg.

"I'm like this right here, and when he shot me, it was so surprising," Kinsey tells Channel 7. "It was like a mosquito bite, and when it hit me, I'm like, I still got my hands in the air, and I said, no, I just got shot! And I'm saying, 'Sir, why did you shoot me?' and his words to me, he said, 'I don't know.'

Black Man Says He Was Shot By North Miami Police While Lying On The Ground : The Two-Way : NPR
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again: glorified. hyperbole.
 
This honestly looks and reads like a parody. Except it's all too real.
 
Usually I like to try to wait for more details to come out before making snap judgments when these things happen (a strategy I've been less sure about lately), but, holy shit, this looks truly unbelievable. Thank God this poor man survived, but... what the hell?


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Baffling how entrenched the power structure is that the injured man still feels a need to call the officer "sir" even after being shot for no reason whatsoever. And even more sad that his life might have depended on showing that kind of deference.
 
It's okay - he apparently just meant to hit the autistic guy and missed. I feel so much better now.
 
LuckyNumber7 said:
"Hey guys, our use of excessive force isn't racist. It sees no color."
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Right?

It boggles the mind how the officer's explanation makes things better. The behavioral specialist had just spent the last 5 minutes (on his back with his hands up) clearly explaining to the police that his patient was autistic and had a toy truck, and was not a threat, so the police respond by... taking a shot at the autistic guy with the toy truck?!?
 
:|

this is just ... :crack:

I fleetingly heard this in between all the RNC stuff and then didn't hear anything over
the subsequent days
Now I get filled in on it ...

Therapist totally in a Nonthreatening position trying to tell them about the patient and shot for No Reason! Bleeding Not attended to! And they were actually trying to shoot the autistic guy instead?!? Arrrrggggg!

:| damn...

Then how seemingly pathtic that they then hand-cuff them?
 
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This is a scene I just experienced 30 minutes ago. I am waiting for a bus in Manhattan beside a lovely African American mother with her 3 young boys. A police car stops by because a car is illegally parked at the bus stop. The mother immediately and instinctively gets the kids and moves away from the police car. She asks the kids to stop playing. Her fear was palpable. She looks at me and her eyes basically say "what can I do?". Nobody deserves this.

If you think this is "glorified hyperbole", screw you.
 
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DaveC said:
it's horrifying that every day people are so afraid of those who should be protecting them.
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I started to chat with her afterwards but didn't know if it would be appropriate to bring it up. Horrifying is the right word. That minorities can have so much fear of a moment that most people wouldn't even notice.
 
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So, she was scared even though the cops didn't approach her? Sounds like someone is just being irrational...
 
gump said:
This is a scene I just experienced 30 minutes ago. I am waiting for a bus in Manhattan beside a lovely African American mother with her 3 young boys. A police car stops by because a car is illegally parked at the bus stop. The mother immediately and instinctively gets the kids and moves away from the police car. She asks the kids to stop playing. Her fear was palpable. She looks at me and her eyes basically say "what can I do?". Nobody deserves this.

If you think this is "glorified hyperbole", screw you.
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I wanted to comment earlier in this, but couldn' t quite put he words together.

Thank you for being aware and sharing this experience which helps to illuminate further on how black mothers and fathers can fear for their children and try to get them to behave in more calm manner that would hopefully not spike a " threatened response" from police.
 
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Diemen said:
Either you completely lack empathy or you're trolling.
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No, because it's just fucking stupid. That woman has a way better chance of dying in a car crash or being murdered by a fellow black person (literally millions of times better chances). It's just completely irrational nonsense.

Now, having a problem with the police killings of blacks and the injustice that is going on is absolutely fine, warranted, and this shit needs to change immediately. But to act like they're liable to murder you at any freakin' moment even when it's got nothing to do with you is just a complete and utterly foolish reaction. It's equivalent to being scared of the neighborhood Muslim walking down the street.

There's probably ten times more blacks being murdered by other blacks in Chicago in a given year than police nationally killing unarmed blacks that weren't attempting to flee and/or fight back. So, to act like some officer rolling up and dealing with a car parked in the wrong place is potentially deadly means someone is letting things get way out of proportion in their own mind...
 
Or it's none of those things and I'm simply looking at things from an actual logical standpoint.

The other day I was in the supermarket and this old man's wife put eggs in his basket and said that she would make them for him tomorrow and he looked at me solemnly because of the cholesterol. Nobody should have to worry about dying from eggs! :sad:

So, do you all look at Muslims in America in fear because one of them at any moment could be a terrorist that could end your life? Because that's what this shit amounts to, judging the police on the whole due to the actions of a small percentage of complete idiots.

It's exactly that sort of intolerance and instant judgment that can lead to police being murdered by a few whackjobs and the black community shooting themselves in the foot by being uncooperative with police, etc. That in turn leads to factors that give us scared, trigger-itchy cops and black community members that attempt to fight back and end up dead.
 
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black people kill each other sometimes so other black people shouldn't be scared of cops because that's like hating muslims. great "actual logical standpoint"
 
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