Racism: glorified hyperbole in America

[mikal]

http://www.bet.com/news/national/20...-rifle-in-walmart-toy-aisle.html?cid=facebook

Didn't hear about this one.


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[gump]

Good point. As with pretty much any statistic out there regarding social problems, it makes much more sense to analyze by income/poverty levels than by race.

I think I see where you're coming from, but I very much disagree. To address racial issues, I think you absolutely cannot conflate them with socioeconomic inequality. Especially in post-slavery societies like most of the Western hemisphere, which is often difficult to do because for obvious historical reasons race and poverty tend to overlap. But one cannot ignore the fact that a poor black person is more likely to be arrested, incarcerated, physically attacked by the police, or convicted to longer sentences - to cite just a few examples - than a poor white person. Or that middle class black men are less likely to be promoted for a job than his middle class white counterpart. Or that a black waiter is likely to receive a smaller tip in the same restaurant. I mean, does anyone really believe that the same police reaction in Ferguson would happen in a predominantly white lower middle class community in, say, Montana? There are socioeconomic issues and there are racial issues, and they are different, even though they often overlap.

 

[cobl04]

The system break man, child and women into figures: two columns for who is and who ain't niggas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5vw4ajnWGA

 

[iron yuppie]

Especially in post-slavery societies like most of the Western hemisphere, which is often difficult to do because for obvious historical reasons race and poverty tend to overlap. But one cannot ignore the fact that a poor black person is more likely to be arrested, incarcerated, physically attacked by the police, or convicted to longer sentences - to cite just a few examples - than a poor white person. Or that middle class black men are less likely to be promoted for a job than his middle class white counterpart. Or that a black waiter is likely to receive a smaller tip in the same restaurant. I mean, does anyone really believe that the same police reaction in Ferguson would happen in a predominantly white lower middle class community in, say, Montana? There are socioeconomic issues and there are racial issues, and they are different, even though they often overlap.

Agreed with pretty much all of this - I didn't mean to insinuate that race doesn't play a part in many facets of social life. I was responding specifically to the "black-on-black crime" phrase.

 

[gump]

Ah I see - my bad. I agree it's a bad phrase indeed.

 

[Jacobite]

Would it be rational to fear all red headed women if robbed by one? Would it be rational to fear all tweens if robbed by one?

Now it may be reactionary, even understandable, but not rational.

I take your point, and agree that it wouldn't be entirely objectively rational. This I can agree with.

 

[Salome]

He is saying racism doesn't exist because white people aren't committing mass executions of blacks.

Actually he is saying that there must be something intrinsically 'different' in black people compared to other races that results in "blacks are 13% of the population and half of all homicide victims—90% of whom are killed by other blacks.”

Funny enough, in the same post he claims he doesn't notice racism in his own surroundings.

 

[the iron horse]

Actually he is saying that there must be something intrinsically 'different' in black people compared to other races that results in "blacks are 13% of the population and half of all homicide victims—90% of whom are killed by other blacks.”

Funny enough, in the same post he claims he doesn't notice racism in his own surroundings.

-I did not say racism does not exists in America. Please name a country free of racism. This thread is about how racism is exaggerated and used so often when an event like the shooting of a young lack man in Ferguson, Missouri occurs.

-It is a terrible that Michael Brown was killed. I can't even imagine how sad his family must be. His death is something that could have been avoided.

-If the deadly force used by the officer was uncalled for, he or she (white or black) should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

-I don't know what happened. I don't know the details.

-This rush to judgment without knowing the facts is wrong.

-I realize there are "bad cops' out there. There are some rouge people everywhere.

-The coffee house I operated in the 90s in my town was located not far from the police station. One Saturday night before midnight I parked my truck by the side entrance by a door to load up the trash. It was a one hour parking zone.

-About thirty minutes later I was called outside. A police officer quickly got in my face tell me I was over parked and he was writing a ticket. When I started to explain his demeanor quickly escalated and it was like he was daring me to move or say anything else. He was trying to get me into an altercation. His charge that my truck had been parked for hours was wrong and I really felt like pushing back. I backed off, took the ticket and moved my truck.


And I guess I am funny, I just don't see this rampant racism in my interactions with people day to day.

When it is exposed and it cause suffering, it should be stamped out.

I just believe it is time we judge people by their character (actions) and
stop putting select groups of people into categories where actions cannot be judged because of skin color.

 

[cobl04]

I just believe it is time we judge people by their character (actions) and

stop putting select groups of people into categories where actions cannot be judged because of skin color.

A good post, but events like Ferguson show that we haven't reached this point as a society.

 

[Galeongirl]

I just believe it is time we judge people by their character (actions) and
stop putting select groups of people into categories where actions cannot be judged because of skin color.

It is about time yes, but how do we get to that point?

 

[Diemen]

-The coffee house I operated in the 90s in my town was located not far from the police station. One Saturday night before midnight I parked my truck by the side entrance by a door to load up the trash. It was a one hour parking zone.

-About thirty minutes later I was called outside. A police officer quickly got in my face tell me I was over parked and he was writing a ticket. When I started to explain his demeanor quickly escalated and it was like he was daring me to move or say anything else. He was trying to get me into an altercation. His charge that my truck had been parked for hours was wrong and I really felt like pushing back. I backed off, took the ticket and moved my truck.

Notice how this incident ended in you merely getting a ticket?

 

[PhilsFan]

It's about time we stop judging the impact and frequency of racism based on what we see in our everyday lives because our individual bubbles are such a minuscule representation of the issues in this country and this world.

 

[the iron horse]

Notice how this incident ended in you merely getting a ticket?

It did but only because I backed off.

Believe my blood was up at that moment and I was ready to push back
because I knew my truck had not been parked that long. The guy had a
pumped up wild look in his eye, He was pushing me to fight. I almost took his bait.

He was a bad cop.

For all I know, if I had push back he might have shot me.


I can understand how a young person might be in a similar situation
and be pushed into fighting back.

An officer should never act in an aggressive harassing way to prompted
an altercation.

 

[the iron horse]

It is about time yes, but how do we get to that point?

That is exactly the question I hope we can discuss here
and I hope our society will discuss.

 

[mikal]

We had a situation in Green Bay that was under investigation and ultimately dismissed in favor of the cop. No racism involved, just a complete nut job of a cop that's had multiple complaints over the last few years. While racism is definitely a component in the Ferguson case, I think an underlying issue is that there are a lot of over aggressive cops that just shouldn't be in that profession.

http://youtu.be/KDqP-4uxJ9k




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[BVS]

That is exactly the question I hope we can discuss here

and I hope our society will discuss.

A starting point is to recognize that it does exist, where it exists, and that it's not hyperbole.


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[Irvine511]

And I guess I am funny, I just don't see this rampant racism in my interactions with people day to day.

I just believe it is time we judge people by their character (actions) and stop putting select groups of people into categories where actions cannot be judged because of skin color.

do you see a contradiction here?

 

[the iron horse]

A starting point is to recognize that it does exist, where it exists, and that it's not hyperbole.


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Where did I say racism does not exist?

Please name a country where it does not exist.


The hyperbole is this narrative that every incident is about race.

That is the narrative that is trying to keep the fires of racism flaming
and not trying to bring us together.

 

[cobl04]

The slightly angry response from the black community in Ferguson suggests it might have something to do with race.

 

[nbelcik]

The slightly angry response from the black community in Ferguson suggests it might have something to do with race.

And the fact that black men are killed by police all the time. Eric Garner is just another recent example. There's a reason why the black community is so upset and it's because this isn't an isolated incident, this happens everyday in America.


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[the iron horse]

And the fact that black men are killed by police all the time. Eric Garner is just another recent example. There's a reason why the black community is so upset and it's because this isn't an isolated incident, this happens everyday in America.


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Do you know how many blacks have been shot in Chicago since January?

26 last week.

Post the number
and cite source.

Police are killing blacks every day?
Post the number
and cite source.

 

[iron yuppie]

Can we please stop using Chicago as a poster-child for murders? Per-capita it is not even in the top 20 in the USA.

 

[BVS]

Where did I say racism does not exist?



Please name a country where it does not exist.





The hyperbole is this narrative that every incident is about race.



That is the narrative that is trying to keep the fires of racism flaming

and not trying to bring us together.

The problem lies on both sides; the ones that makes everything about race, and the ones that ignore it's happening.


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[LJT]

Do you know how many blacks have been shot in Chicago since January?

26 last week.

Post the number
and cite source.

Police are killing blacks every day?
Post the number
and cite source.

What we are discussing here is state violence and racism against a group of people, the internal community violence can be dealt with once we all as a society stop being passive in letting institutionalised racism be.

It is well researched and documented that black people get treated very differently to white people, higher incarceration rates and more likely to have exceptional force used against them. Or do you think black people are just more naturally violent?

It was only when us Irish were stopped being treated as sub-human animals that we were allowed to move up in the world, that came at the unfortunate expense of black people.

 

[AEON]

The problem lies on both sides; the ones that makes everything about race, and the ones that ignore it's happening.


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That's very true. When I see black people on TV claiming the video of Michael Brown is "photoshopped" I think, "There is no hope for the Midwest black community." Then I see Captain Ronald Johnson, a black man from Ferguson, on TV acting like a true servant-leader, I change my mind.

I think many of will always give the benefit of the doubt to our "tribe" first. But we need to catch it early and let reason be our guide. When we see events like this on the news - we need look at the facts and perhaps wait a few days before developing an opinion. It's so rare the media gets the story right.

It may turn out that Michael Brown was indeed a "thug" - but as a society, we need to examine the root cause, address it, and solve it - not deny he was a thug (he was) or simply write him off (he's still a child of God).

 

[Irvine511]

Can we please stop using Chicago as a poster-child for murders? Per-capita it is not even in the top 20 in the USA.

Right?

The only reason it gets brought up so much is because Obama.


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[BVS]

It may turn out that Michael Brown was indeed a "thug" - but as a society, we need to examine the root cause, address it, and solve it - not deny he was a thug (he was) or simply write him off (he's still a child of God).

But the truth is, it doesn't matter if he's a thug or not. That's just a distraction. At the end of the day it comes down to if this was a justifiable shooting. There have been 5 unarmed black men killed by cops in the last month.

So far nothing about this story proves to me it was justifiable, but not all the facts are out there, and some of the facts that are are fishy.



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[Diemen]

Do you know how many blacks have been shot in Chicago since January?

26 last week.

Post the number
and cite source.

Police are killing blacks every day?
Post the number
and cite source.

Black People Are Not Ignoring 'Black On Black' Crime - The Atlantic

There is a pattern here, but it isn't the one Eugene Robinson (for whom I have a great respect) thinks. The pattern is the transmutation of black protest into moral hectoring of black people. Don Imus profanely insults a group of black women. But the real problem is gangsta rap. Trayvon Martin is killed. This becomes a conversation about how black men are bad fathers. Jonathan Martin is bullied mercilessly. This proves that black people have an unfortunate sense of irony.

The politics of respectability are, at their root, the politics of changing the subject—the last resort for those who can not bear the agony of looking their country in the eye. The policy of America has been, for most of its history, white supremacy. The high rates of violence in black neighborhoods do not exist outside of these facts—they evidence them.

 

[Diemen]

As for systemic racism, just look at how much more favorably the media portrays white killers compared to black victims:

When The Media Treats White Suspects And Killers Better Than Black Victims

Headline about white killer: Ala. suspect brilliant, but social misfit
Black shooting victim: Montgomery's latest shooting victim had history of narcotics abuse, tangles with law

White killer: Son in Staten Island murders was brlliant, athletic - but his demons were the death of parents
Black victim: Trayvon Martin was suspended three times from school

White killer: Oregon school shooting suspect had fascination with guns, but was devout Mormon, friends say
Black victim: Police: Slain Lakeland teen had been shot before, death possibly drug-related

White criminal: Straight A student plotted to bomb school
Black victim: Shooting victim had many run-ins with the law

Notice a pattern?

 

[cobl04]

^ wow.

I shared that on Twitter and was sent this in reply