Racism: glorified hyperbole in America

[AEON]

Originally Posted by BoMac

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/sta...104065/photo/1

Without knowing much more than the section of a tweet you highlighted regarding slavery - there were in fact some black villains (in Africa - the ones selling the slaves) and some white heroes (Underground Railroad, Abolitionists, and of course - almost 600,000 Union Soldiers that were either killed, wounded, or captured.)

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by BVS

Facts by themselves do not make a point. To say there were more black nuclear families under slavery is a moot point.

We have to look at the fallout of the nuclear family in general and why it effects some races more than others? Does opportunity and discrimination play a part? You'd have to be blind not to see that. Are they the only factors? Absolutely not.


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Where do you get the idea that the breakdown of the family effect some more than others?

Where is this overt constant KKK discrimination occurring?

My eyes are wide awake to the way I see people of different races interacting every day.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Where do you get the idea that the breakdown of the family effect some more than others?



Where is this overt constant KKK discrimination occurring?



My eyes are wide awake to the way I see people of different races interacting every day.

No, why does the breakdown occur in some areas of society more than others.


Do you really believe it has to be overt KKK racism in order to be an issue? Well, this explains a lot.


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[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by BVS

No, why does the breakdown occur in some areas of society more than others.


Do you really believe it has to be overt KKK racism in order to be an issue? Well, this explains a lot.


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Could it be 50 plus years of paying women more welfare money
for every baby they have
and penalizing them if they claim a husband in the house?

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Could it be 50 plus years of paying women more welfare money

for every baby they have

and penalizing them if they claim a husband in the house?

So black women take advantage of this more than others? Why?


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[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Could it be 50 plus years of paying women more welfare money

for every baby they have

and penalizing them if they claim a husband in the house?

Most women on welfare are white and on it for about 2 years.

Don't believe the stereotypes.


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[AEON]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Most women on welfare are white and on it for about 2 years.

Can you please provide the source? Are you making adjustments for population proportion?

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by AEON

Can you please provide the source? Are you making adjustments for population proportion?

It's interesting you don't believe me.

I'm not making adjustments for population proportion. But why should that matter? You made it seem as if most women on welfare were black, when most women on welfare are not black. It sounds like you have been snookered by the "welfare queen" lie perpetrated by the Reagan administration in the 1980s.

Here you go:

http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/report...xperiment.aspx


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[AEON]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

It's interesting you don't believe me.

I'm not making adjustments for population proportion. But why should that matter?

It matters tremendously. Of course the total number of white women on welfare would be higher if there are tens of millions more of them. You are the one that stated "more" white women are on welfare than black women - so I think it is important that you clarify your position.

Originally Posted by Irvine511

You made it seem as if most women on welfare were black, when most women on welfare are not black. It sounds like you have been snookered by the "welfare queen" lie perpetrated by the Reagan administration in the 1980s.

I don't think I made that point. In fact, I am in favor of a Basic Income for the entire population.

[anitram]

Originally Posted by AEON

I don't think I made that point. In fact, I am in favor of a Basic Income for the entire population.

Why? This is a pretty disastrous economic idea which would significantly decrease a nation's economic output.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by AEON

It matters tremendously. Of course the total number of white women on welfare would be higher if there are tens of millions more of them. You are the one that stated "more" white women are on welfare than black women - so I think it is important that you clarify your position.

It is true. "More" recipients of welfare are white than black. As you state, OF COURSE that's true.

Yet, IH didn't believe me.

That shows you the depth and breadth of the Welfare Queen stereotype, and it's still used today by the Tea Party. You'll notice the only states -- even red states -- that are still actively resisting the ACA and Medicaid expansion are generally down in Dixie? Do we not think racial politics -- in states where African Americans can be almost 30% of the population -- are not at play?

So much of the fanatical, irrational resistance to Obama is rooted in racial stereotypes about government assistance, that whites are somehow self-sufficient (except sluts looking for free birth control) and blacks/minorities rely on the government.

The reality is that MOST peole receiving governtment assistance of any kind are white, and they also tend to be old. This should not be a surprise, yet IH was surprised and challenged me.

That speaks volumes.


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[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by anitram

Why? This is a pretty disastrous economic idea which would significantly decrease a nation's economic output.

Except that it wouldn't and could actually be beneficial.


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[AEON]

Originally Posted by anitram

Why? This is a pretty disastrous economic idea which would significantly decrease a nation's economic output.

There is MUCH debate on this issue. As technology rapidly replaces jobs - something must be done to simply keep people alive. This is one of the ideas being proposed.

[the iron horse]

I think this will continue and grow as we get closer to the mid-term election.

It's being flamed as a get out the vote tactic.

"....additional players have been added to the mix of protesters. Along with the support of Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and a mention from President Barack Obama at the United Nations during his remarks, other liberal interest groups found their way onto the Ferguson issue, including: national LGBT organizations, climate environmentalists, amnesty groups, pro-Palestinian organizations, Christian social justice groups, and Planned Parenthood."

Ferguson Protests Organized by Left-Wing Groups

[PhilsFan]

You are a sheep for the right.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

You are a sheep for the right.

A bit unnecessary and hostile, pfan.

Debate the issues, not the person.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

I think this will continue and grow as we get closer to the mid-term election.



It's being flamed as a get out the vote tactic.



"....additional players have been added to the mix of protesters. Along with the support of Service Employees International Union (SEIU) and a mention from President Barack Obama at the United Nations during his remarks, other liberal interest groups found their way onto the Ferguson issue, including: national LGBT organizations, climate environmentalists, amnesty groups, pro-Palestinian organizations, Christian social justice groups, and Planned Parenthood."



Ferguson Protests Organized by Left-Wing Groups

Did it bother you when the right did this with the Tea Party?


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[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by BVS

Did it bother you when the right did this with the Tea Party?


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Yes, what Thad Cochran and the Republican Party did in Mississippi to trash and defeat Chris McDaniel was slimy politics to get out the vote.

[BVS]

The Tea Party and their demonstrations were funded and organized by right wing groups and corporate interests.

In fact the latest from a source that is just as biased but much more reputable than that above, shows that big tobacco had a big part in organizing the beginnings of the Tea Party.


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[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by BVS

The Tea Party and their demonstrations were funded and organized by right wing groups and corporate interests.

In fact the latest from a source that is just as biased but much more reputable than that above, shows that big tobacco had a big part in organizing the beginnings of the Tea Party.


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I was referring to how the Republican Party Machine used 'race baiting' to defeat Chris McDaniel by getting blacks to vote against him in the Republican primary.