Racism: glorified hyperbole in America

[mikal]

Lol. Yeah just saw you tweet that. Good stuff.


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[Vlad n U 2]

Originally Posted by cobl04

^ wow.

I shared that on Twitter and was sent this in reply

Looks like one of those white supremacists.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by Vlad n U 2

Looks like one of those white supremacists.

The caption above the pictures is correct. The story was buried.

This goes back to my original post. The "race baiters" will select only
events they can use to continue their narrative that everything is about race.

It is a false and destructive narrative.

As false and as destructive as the KKKs.

[Vlad n U 2]

I wasn't talking about the incident, I was talking about the Twitter user and his ridiculous comments.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

The caption above the pictures is correct. The story was buried.



This goes back to my original post. The "race baiters" will select only

events they can use to continue their narrative that everything is about race.



It is a false and destructive narrative.



As false and as destructive as the KKKs.

All violent crimes are deplorable. Do you not see the difference when it's by police(if unjustifiable) or motivated by race?


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[Diemen]

http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/08/p...ooker.html?m=1

When the police refer to the black population as “animals,” on record, to a reporter, it’s about race.

When the population is predominately black and the police force is predominately white, it’s about race.

When the dialog focuses on the dead teenager’s appearance, his clothing, his friends, his school record, his family, his habits and haunts and hangouts, when the media publically debates whether he was a “good son” or a “thug,” it’s about race.

When the media openly speculates about the victim’s possible drug use or criminal history, it’s about race.

When your perception of the dead teen’s guilt or innocence is determined by which political party you belong to or which political pundit you listen to, it’s about race.

When you attempt to justify the death of a black teenager because other black people smashed windows and lit shit on fire in protest, it’s about race.

When you attempt to dismiss another dead black teenager at the hands of the police by quoting statistics about “black on black” crime, it’s about race.

When you’re more outraged about the unconstitutional arrest and intimidation of white reporters than you are about the unconstitutional shooting of a black teenager, it’s about race.

When you’re more concerned about the militarization of white police than you are about the fact that those same police gunned down a black teenager for no apparent reason other than he happened to be walking down a public street while black, just like any of a hundred other black teenagers gunned down by those in authority, it’s about race.

When you suggest with a knowingly raised eyebrow that a black teenager ought to be smart enough to immediately submit to police authority without any trace of resentment or risk summary execution, but you think a bunch of white ranchers are patriots for defying the government and pointing assault rifles at federal agents, it’s about race.

When those things, all of those things, are what determines in the court of public opinion whether or not the dead kid deserved what he got or whether he was a victim, well, folks, then it’s about race.

When a white cop shoots dead an unarmed black teenager, it’s about race.

In America, it’s always about race.

[PhilsFan]

[bono_212]

That feels like a shop, just because of how poor the grammar is in the second pictures, not any other reason beyond that.

[BoMac]

The second photo is Agence France Presse, so it could be an issue with the translation or something.

[bono_212]

Ahh, gotcha. Thank ya.

(Though, in that case, not really the US media's fault )

[the iron horse]

We still don't know all the facts of this shooting
yet the "race baiters" and the mainstream US media
continue to make accusations/threats and run hours
of almost round the clock coverage.

USA Today ran a report a day or two ago that gave statistics
police involved shootings a year. The most recent report: 97
of the 400 killed were black.

This from MSNBC is an example, I think, of this dangerous hyperbole
and lies.

Michelle Bernard - There’s a U.S. " War on Black Boys " Could Turn " Genocide " if We Don’t Stop It - YouTube

"We live in a political world
Love don’t have any place
We’re living in times where men commit crimes
And crime don’t have a face"

~Bob Dylan

[bono_212]

14.1% of the United States is black

97/400 = 24.25%

If it was even, there should "only" be 58 (57.64) black shootings.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

We still don't know all the facts of this shooting

yet the "race baiters" and the mainstream US media

continue to make accusations/threats and run hours

of almost round the clock coverage.

All outlets are running "round the clock coverage", but who is making threats?

Originally Posted by the iron horse

USA Today ran a report a day or two ago that gave statistics

police involved shootings a year. The most recent report: 97

of the 400 killed were black.

Um, that's disproportionally a lot. And I would venture a guess to say that number is even higher in unarmed shootings.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

This from MSNBC is an example, I think, of this dangerous hyperbole

and lies.

"We live in a political world

Love don’t have any place

We’re living in times where men commit crimes

And crime don’t have a face"



~Bob Dylan

So what were the lies you had issue with?



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[Galeongirl]

Originally Posted by Diemen

Stonekettle Station: Pressure Cooker

I think this is pretty much spot on. I've stayed out of this convo for a while as I don't know the details, it's hardly on the news here (though did get some coverage in the newspaper), so I can't really say much.
But it strikes me as odd that in the US, there seems to be such a focus on the race part, it's just odd. Now I won't say there's no racism in the Netherlands at all, but I don't think we've had riots like that here, nor the portrayal on the news that seems to put black people in a more negative light. I reckon most don't really care where people come from, if they break the law, they break the law. Then again, we hardly ever shoot people so I guess that prevents that debate here.
It just seems so different in the US, when you see the news shows (we have CNN here), read the papers.. it's almost like there is an obsession with race. Whether it's white people being racist, or black people claiming they can't be racist because they're black, there's always something. For instance, I've never understood why a black person is supposed to be called an African American. What if he's not from Africa, but born in the US or anywhere else in the world? It makes no sense!
Where does this difference in perception of the US versus say, Europe come from? Historically, there were slaves all over the world, also in the Netherlands and other parts of Europe.. so we share that. Where did it differ?

[Vlad n U 2]

You do have Geert Wilders though.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by Galeongirl

I think this is pretty much spot on. I've stayed out of this convo for a while as I don't know the details, it's hardly on the news here (though did get some coverage in the newspaper), so I can't really say much.
But it strikes me as odd that in the US, there seems to be such a focus on the race part, it's just odd. Now I won't say there's no racism in the Netherlands at all, but I don't think we've had riots like that here, nor the portrayal on the news that seems to put black people in a more negative light. I reckon most don't really care where people come from, if they break the law, they break the law. Then again, we hardly ever shoot people so I guess that prevents that debate here.
It just seems so different in the US, when you see the news shows (we have CNN here), read the papers.. it's almost like there is an obsession with race. Whether it's white people being racist, or black people claiming they can't be racist because they're black, there's always something. For instance, I've never understood why a black person is supposed to be called an African American. What if he's not from Africa, but born in the US or anywhere else in the world? It makes no sense!
Where does this difference in perception of the US versus say, Europe come from? Historically, there were slaves all over the world, also in the Netherlands and other parts of Europe.. so we share that. Where did it differ?

I've always thought Europeans seemed to handle the issue of race relations much better than the U.S.

Your post confirms this to me.

More to comment your post but...
I'm short on time so I will say this and
back later.

I taught 7th grade language arts in a public school.

Every year we would read the novel Across Five Aprils by Irene Hunt.
It's a story set during the American Civil War.

During my introduction of the book to the class I would ask
them to raise their hands if they might have ancestors who were
slaves.

All the black students would immediately raise their hands.

I would wait about a minute and then raise my hand.

Instantly I would get a puzzled response from students?

That's not true. You are white.

This would lead into an interesting discussion on the worldwide
history of slavery (in all races of people) and it's continued practice in some parts of
the world today.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

During my introduction of the book to the class I would ask

them to raise their hands if they might have ancestors who were

slaves.



All the black students would immediately raise their hands.



I would wait about a minute and then raise my hand.

I know I've asked you this before but maybe you missed it, but to what government and how many generations back have you traced your family's slavery?


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[Salome]

Slave to the wage.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by BVS

I know I've asked you this before but maybe you missed it, but to what government and how many generations back have you traced your family's slavery?


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Did you even read my post?

The question to the students was.... "might have ancestors who were slaves."

My point was to discuss how slavery has been practice by virtually all cultures and societies at one time or another throughout history.

So, yes. I think all of us could raise our hands.