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Old 09-11-2016, 11:18 PM   #701
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And I've never in my life been in close contact with men outside of a sporting event that were as excitable and loud as a group of young women going to the club or a concert, etc.
I don't know what concerts you've been to, but there's been quite a few loud men at the concerts I've been to. Loud and incredibly drunk. And I know many other people who would say the same.

Edited to add: Wasn't it groups of young men who caused the biggest chaos at the Woodstock '99 festival, if I recall rightly? Burning things and knocking stuff over and assaulting people?
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I mean, you think watching a lot of shiftless males walk around your building at work for drugs or prostitutes can be soul draining, wait until you see a black guy in a wheelchair doing the same by pushing himself backwards with his feet. Yes, literally a down-on-their luck and barely mobile individual choosing to be outside at 3 in the morning in order to live the street life.
if you'd like, i can easily take photos of about half a dozen native, asian, and white guys doing exactly that from my front window over the next 18 hrs or so.

it's interesting that when you describe your zombie hordes of hypothetical impoverished disabled addicts swarming your home, their skin colour is what seems to concern you.
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Old 09-12-2016, 01:02 AM   #703
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1) It's not my home, it's my work in downtown SF.

2) I just notice that the bulk of them are black males and it's especially jarring given that roughly 3% of the population of the city falls under that category. That's where I think there's cultural or other reasons for this sort of behavior as it makes no sense that they'd be so widely over represented at night among the people with such an aimless nature. Nobody forces anyone to wander around late at night for no apparent reason, sometimes in the pouring rain. That's on them because it's a choice.

I do agree with you that there's men of every stripe that do this sort of wandering all over the major cities of America. That's undeniable. I've even seen guys (yes, they were black) pay money to ride BART and then wander around Market Street for hours afterwards as I'd see them go by my building multiple times. I don't know everything that causes this sort of behavior, or frankly, much about it, but it's probably habitual with low-income American males with little opportunities...they get used to just wandering the streets when they're young due to lack of funds or whatever and then continue with it onward for potentially the rest of their lives. It's sad and it seems like a byproduct of America's own ills as I haven't really noticed this sort of crap going on anywhere else I've traveled.
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I don't know what concerts you've been to, but there's been quite a few loud men at the concerts I've been to. Loud and incredibly drunk. And I know many other people who would say the same.

Edited to add: Wasn't it groups of young men who caused the biggest chaos at the Woodstock '99 festival, if I recall rightly? Burning things and knocking stuff over and assaulting people?
If we're talking about chaos in general, when are men not behind it?
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I go through the heart of Chicago every single day, often on public transit, and I can tell you that the type of derelict or perceived anti-social behavior you describe is distributed pretty damn evenly among races, ages, sexes, and basically any other demographic out there. It is absolutely not gravitational to any specific demographic.
Well, that's certainly interesting. In San Francisco at night and throughout the day in a lot of other nearby regions, it's mostly black males. I wouldn't say they are over represented in the day time for anything other than property crime (of which they're the biggest perpetrators) as SF has so many issues stemming from the general homeless population itself.

But again, SF's black male population is 3%. At night on Market Street after the bars close and the street itself is scarcely populated, I still couldn't throw a boomerang on any intersection and not hit multiple black men with it. Or go down to Oakland's most troubled areas late at night for a similar and far less safe example.

It's just an entirely different world in a city after midnight (with the exception of 24/7 cities like New York). San Francisco is also something unto itself as the night life is notoriously poor compared to elsewhere. So instead of throngs running over to another bar or to get pizza or whatnot, you've just got the worst of humanity outside downtown since there's nobody else really doing much. I blame part of it on terrible public transportation access that for years has made it a nightmare to come into and out of the city at night, but it makes it pretty damn obvious who the vagrants and such are when there's nobody else around.

A lot of it could just be related to the conspicuous nature of some of these people. If you get on a BART train with a bunch of people dressed like they make $100,000 or more a year, that bum is going to stick out a lot quicker.
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What generalizations do you have for the white community?
Intolerant of upstart Democrats such as Barack or Bernie, so they vote for Hillary in the primaries.
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Old 09-12-2016, 02:32 AM   #707
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growing up, the people i'd see causing the most problems were white. and i lived in memphis, where whites are the minority. most of the times i've been cat-called to the point where it goes beyond that and is harassment, it's a white guy. most of the times when i see someone acting like a douchecanoe, it's a white guy. you hear about someone making meth on the news, oh look it's a white guy or a white couple. someone leaves a baby in a car, it's almost always a white person.

most panhandlers you see walking around the streets are white. i'm not going to pretend blacks don't commit crime, both of my parents were part of an armed robbery involving them held at gunpoint inside a store — thankfully neither of my parents were robbed, just the store.

if you're going to assume blacks are going to be more likely to commit crimes, then your view will be skewed to see it happen, especially if you live in a city where only 3% of the population is black. it's pretty rich to call whites intolerant and paint blacks with such a broad brush.
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Intolerant of upstart Democrats such as Barack or Bernie, so they vote for Hillary in the primaries.
For fucks sake the majority of Bernie suppoeters were white, the main reason why he couldn't beat Hillary was because the only people voting for him were white, and he might be from the whitest state in the country.

Look, you're stuck on this idea that what you see at night occurs because if somebody's skin color. That's just racist thinking. Period.

Whatever decent points you have are all clouded by that fact, and prevents this from being anymore than a session of banging ones head against a brick wall. But I suppose that's par for the course.
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Intolerant of upstart Democrats such as Barack or Bernie, so they vote for Hillary in the primaries.


*this* from someone who thinks black voters only voted for Clinton because they recognized her name?

your Bernie math is racist.
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Look, you're stuck on this idea that what you see at night occurs because if somebody's skin color. That's just racist thinking. Period.

Whatever decent points you have are all clouded by that fact, and prevents this from being anymore than a session of banging ones head against a brick wall. But I suppose that's par for the course.
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BigMacPhisto? More like Big Confirmation Bias folks.
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Old 09-14-2016, 07:44 PM   #712
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Or maybe there is something cultural about 3% of the local population causing virtually all of the crime that I've personally witnessed? And again, I'm arguing about a subset of the black community and one that many prominent members of said community have publicly aired their grievances about for decades and led to the tough on crime movement.

There has to be something behind it and I don't really think it's just our country's history of racism that is solely responsible for these insane murder rates and higher rates within the community for virtually every crime.
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Or maybe there is something cultural about 3% of the local population causing virtually all of the crime that I've personally witnessed?

Maybe this says more about you. It says something about what you do, where you've been, and how in your limited ability which you try and pretend is superior, you've allowed it to shape your world view.


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Old 09-16-2016, 09:51 AM   #715
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I am always surprised to find out that South Park is still a thing.
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I'm curious, why is that? Its model has always been to craft shows on the fly to mock current social events, and it's always been successful. I'd be upset if it went away.
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i am never surprised to find someone do the totally-not-out-of-touch "hur hur that's still a thing?" bit every single time South Park is mentioned these days
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Old 09-16-2016, 09:57 PM   #718
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You're welcome, Dave.
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Eh, it's no longer appointment viewing and you could make a strong argument that it hasn't been now for just over half of its lifespan. And I honestly love most of the stuff they put out in the first eight seasons.
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Chicago's 500 Homicides: How We Got Here

"Some Chicagoans partly blame the violence on economic struggles and lack of jobs. However, Chicago's unemployment rate fell from 6.1% in 2015 to 5.5% in 2016."

Again, the violence has more to do with a cultural thing than it does with a lack of opportunity. Being poor doesn't just make someone pick up a gun and shoot somebody else. Media aimed at the black community glorifies violence and so does street culture. Couple that with a country as gun loving as ours and you get such a predictable result.
I agree. Also, Democrat Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan warned in the 60s that the welfare state, as it is set up, would destroy the black family. It has.
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