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Old 09-06-2016, 10:14 PM   #681
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Much like USC's program this one isn't only for Black students.

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Programs like this exist at countless universities. I personally wouldn't choose to live in one, but I'm glad they exist.
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Chicago's 500 Homicides: How We Got Here

"Some Chicagoans partly blame the violence on economic struggles and lack of jobs. However, Chicago's unemployment rate fell from 6.1% in 2015 to 5.5% in 2016."

Again, the violence has more to do with a cultural thing than it does with a lack of opportunity. Being poor doesn't just make someone pick up a gun and shoot somebody else. Media aimed at the black community glorifies violence and so does street culture. Couple that with a country as gun loving as our and you get such a predictable result.

This is an oversimplification on all fronts.


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Much like USC's program this one isn't only for Black students.



Programs like this exist at countless universities. I personally wouldn't choose to live in one, but I'm glad they exist.

Yeah, given the quick research I had done I figured this wasn't the whole story.


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We had a floor in our dorms that was designated as the Quiet Floor where noise infractions would face harsher penalties and for whatever reason they decided to also put a great deal of the Black students on that same floor (must have been almost nobody that requested to be on it). The results obviously weren't pretty as it was the loudest floor of the bunch and led to the students on it being over-penalized by their RA for something they never even signed up to be on. We can avoid getting into the cultural stereotypes and how some of them may ring particularly true here, making it kind of idiotic for the administrators to do all this in the first place, even if they had good intentions for the black students in the dorms...but anyway, that's just another similar example and I don't really see anything wrong with it. People are going to segment themselves in college anyway based on their likes and/or ethnicity, etc. It makes for a more comfortable learning environment for people to have a community that they can relate to.
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We had a floor in our dorms that was designated as the Quiet Floor where noise infractions would face harsher penalties and for whatever reason they decided to also put a great deal of the Black students on that same floor (must have been almost nobody that requested to be on it). The results obviously weren't pretty as it was the loudest floor of the bunch and led to the students on it being over-penalized by their RA for something they never even signed up to be on. We can avoid getting into the cultural stereotypes and how some of them may ring particularly true here, making it kind of idiotic for the administrators to do all this in the first place, even if they had good intentions for the black students in the dorms...but anyway, that's just another similar example and I don't really see anything wrong with it. People are going to segment themselves in college anyway based on their likes and/or ethnicity, etc. It makes for a more comfortable learning environment for people to have a community that they can relate to.

Wait, why exactly were the results obviously "not pretty"?


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It's really unfortunate when people view millions of people who happen to belong to a minority group as some sort of monolith.
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We can avoid getting into the cultural stereotypes
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Are you saying that the stereotype of blacks being loud isn't something we come across in our daily lives from time to time? Or that we can't joke about such things like 30 Rock did about blacks yelling in movie theaters (when Alec Baldwin's character goes on a date with Condi Rice)?

Yes, the black students were louder than any other floor I'd hung out on and I didn't find that remotely surprising. It says nothing about race which itself is a fake construct. It says a lot about culture and environment which is something different entirely. Would you not expect students from a generally worse off background in terms of finances and education to not be generally louder and more focused on having a social atmosphere than some reserved rich white kid that sits around playing computer games? Because I sure would.

You're basically just taking something that I thought was kind of funny (and that the other black students thought was hilarious as well and were the ones that brought this to my attention) and turning into just another attempt to try and portray someone as a racist when the entire point of the post was to give an example of this sort of stuff in Universities and how it's a positive.
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It's really unfortunate when people view millions of people who happen to belong to a minority group as some sort of monolith.
I don't. But let's try and rationalize something here...

Asians perform better in school than other American groups. To say that All Asians perform better in school would be a fallacy. To say that Asians generally perform better than the rest is an actual fact. Is that suddenly racist?

Blacks commit more murders than any other group. To paint blacks as a violent group would be generally racist and is far from the truth as we're basically talking about a small subset of disadvantaged urban males that commit these crimes. But, at the end of the day, it's a fact that members of the black community commit far more murders per capita than any other "racial" group in America.

Now let's swing back to the school performance. Would you regard Asians performing better as genetic? It's not impossible although you'd be considered a racist for doing so and we have no knowledge to support such a conclusion. But don't people with high IQs produce children with higher IQs than those with low IQs? Would it not be almost a guarantee that a couple with an average IQ of about 80 is not likely to produce an individual with a far above average mental capacity, regardless of environment?

Now let's continue to shrink things down from an entire race and then families to the cultural part of the equation. If you think that members of the Asian American community are more likely to encourage scholastic aptitude and thus that's why they achieve better results than anyone, then couldn't you argue that, say, black America does the opposite or a poor job if their results are so much worse even when all the other factors are accounted for?

Again, not saying any of this shit is a correct answer or remotely what I believe, just that if you're going to study something and/or try to solve a problem, why not take a closer look into things in the first place? Just shutting down intellectual discourse as racism before you get to the root of the problem or find a solution seems utterly pointless. If you don't try to see that there could be inherent cultural reasons as to why certain outcome occur, then you're never going to solve anything.

And I know I'll get blasted for all of this and some will take offense at even bringing up the idea of genetic aptitude when it comes to IQ, but tell me this, how many members of Asian countries were running in track and field at the last Olympics compared to black runners? If blacks are the best at basketball or track, does that make you racist for saying so? Or thereby implying that other groups are genetically terrible at such sports, etc? Likewise, if you can see the idiocy in trying to say that there's no genetic differences between human beings in terms of athletic success, then you can't just shut down a discussion on cultural reasons when it comes to other outcomes.

I've been assaulted twice in the Bay Area. By black men. I've witnessed assaults and even rounded up some of the culprits with the help of SFPD. All of the assailants were black despite black males making up roughly 3% of the San Francisco population. The vast majority of people I've seen enter or exit BART without tickets are black. The vast majority of people yelling regularly at the screen at the movie theater (something that admittedly happens rarely) have been black in my experience. Roughly 80% of the people walking around the building where I work in the dead of night are black and virtually all of the regulars hanging around the corner, homeless or not, are black. Every single time I've seen anyone illegally dump a couch or other furniture items off on a street corner around where I live, it's happened to have been someone that is black.

Does this say anything about Black America? Not in the slightest. It's a small subset of bad apples and of an entirely different socioeconomic status than Black America on the whole nor do I consider the actions of these people to be representative of their ethnic group (or whatever you want to call it) in the slightest. But the facts at the end of the day are that both through my own experiences and from actual crime records that blacks commit more crimes than the rest of the country. And you don't get to discredit my experiences or write off facts just because they don't gel with your own narrative.

To me, there is a cultural problem in the black community leading to this sort of stuff which in turn leads to a heavier (and scared) police presence and all of the other ensuing issues that this thread is all about. If it were really just about poverty and discrimination (which I still believe is most of the reason), then why aren't illegal immigrants from Mexico running around shooting 500 other people in Modesto or whatever? No white person of power is holding a cattle prod to make a black guy walk around San Francisco at 3 AM looking for trouble or get a neck tattoo that makes them become unemployable, etc. There is always a certain amount of personal responsibility involved.

That's about as much as I want to rant on this topic. Some of it will provoke the over-reactive, some of it might lead to an interesting discussion. Who knows.
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Are you saying that the stereotype of blacks being loud isn't something we come across in our daily lives from time to time? .
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tourists of all colours are way louder than any local black people here.
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I spent a few weeks in Japan in the eighties and indeed the tourists were the most obnoxious people I met
the American tourists like myself
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And I know I'll get blasted for all of this and some will take offense at even bringing up the idea of genetic aptitude when it comes to IQ, but tell me this, how many members of Asian countries were running in track and field at the last Olympics compared to black runners? If blacks are the best at basketball or track, does that make you racist for saying so? Or thereby implying that other groups are genetically terrible at such sports, etc? Likewise, if you can see the idiocy in trying to say that there's no genetic differences between human beings in terms of athletic success, then you can't just shut down a discussion on cultural reasons when it comes to other outcomes.
It makes you wrong for saying it. It doesn't necessarily make you racist, but it makes you vastly uneducated on the issue at hand, and when backed up with other statements, yea, probably makes you racist.

You are right that there are generic differences in human beings, and it's these genetic differences that make great athletes. There's no doubt about that, and it's scientific fact.

What makes you probably at best uneducated at worst racist is your insistence that it's racial and/or based on one's skin color, which is simply false. It's a gross oversimplification.

Even an oversimplification such as "Jamaicans are great sprinters" or "Kenyans make great distance runners" would be false, even though it's a much lesser oversimplification than simply using the word "black" as your description.

The overwhelming majority of elite sprinters are Jamaican or of Jamaican descent. This is undeniable. But the overwhelming majority of the overwhelming majority come from the same region in Jamaica. Most even from the same town. They're descendents of a warrior tribe in nnorthwestern Jamaica. It is not race, It's not even nationality, and it sure as hell isn't skin color. It's simply DNA. Jamaicans who are not descendants of the same tribe do not become world class sprinters. Period.

People of West African descent have the greatest variety of DNA because they've been around longer than anyone else. Much longer than boring ass Anglo Saxon white dudes. So to lump blacks in together, and to say that one is more likely to behave a certain way because of their skin color? Yea, that's pretty fucking racist, and just plain inaccurate. It might be "unintentional" racism, but alas... there it is.

You've said that you were mugged by two black men. You don't think that might have a little bit of an effect on your thought process? And hey, I can't blame you for that. Our thought process is shapes by our experiences. But you might want to rethink some of your theories and get more educated on them. Try The Sports Gene for a read... it'll change your thinking. Or not. But at least it'll educate you a little more on reality.
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Racism: glorified hyperbole in America

I was born white; therefore quiet, nonviolent, and stereotypeless.

It's not because of my skin color, it's because of my culture. White culture is polite and quiet. White culture does not glorify violence. White culture doesn't allow for neck tattoos. And white culture taught me to sell my old couch in a garage sale.

Make America White Culture Again

Make Mexico White Culture Again Also

Let's stop the glorified hyperbole!

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It makes you wrong for saying it. It doesn't necessarily make you racist, but it makes you vastly uneducated on the issue at hand, and when backed up with other statements, yea, probably makes you racist.

You are right that there are generic differences in human beings, and it's these genetic differences that make great athletes. There's no doubt about that, and it's scientific fact.

What makes you probably at best uneducated at worst racist is your insistence that it's racial and/or based on one's skin color, which is simply false. It's a gross oversimplification.

Even an oversimplification such as "Jamaicans are great sprinters" or "Kenyans make great distance runners" would be false, even though it's a much lesser oversimplification than simply using the word "black" as your description.

The overwhelming majority of elite sprinters are Jamaican or of Jamaican descent. This is undeniable. But the overwhelming majority of the overwhelming majority come from the same region in Jamaica. Most even from the same town. They're descendents of a warrior tribe in nnorthwestern Jamaica. It is not race, It's not even nationality, and it sure as hell isn't skin color. It's simply DNA. Jamaicans who are not descendants of the same tribe do not become world class sprinters. Period.

People of West African descent have the greatest variety of DNA because they've been around longer than anyone else. Much longer than boring ass Anglo Saxon white dudes. So to lump blacks in together, and to say that one is more likely to behave a certain way because of their skin color? Yea, that's pretty fucking racist, and just plain inaccurate. It might be "unintentional" racism, but alas... there it is.

You've said that you were mugged by two black men. You don't think that might have a little bit of an effect on your thought process? And hey, I can't blame you for that. Our thought process is shapes by our experiences. But you might want to rethink some of your theories and get more educated on them. Try The Sports Gene for a read... it'll change your thinking. Or not. But at least it'll educate you a little more on reality.



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I can agree that we're shaped by our experiences. Yesterday, I was awoken on BART on my way to work after a woman had abruptly sat next to me. I opened my eyes and there was a homeless black male who had just touched her in some fashion according to an onlooker talking to the driver a few minutes later. This same male proceeded to try and chase her when she got off at her stop (which also happened to be mine). And I'm telling you, this shit happens day in and day out and black men make up nearly all of these sort of incidents. In fact, on my way home biking to my house, a black guy walking along the trail accosted an Asian woman seemingly dressed for a night club (probably headed to BART) to the point where she tried to run away. There with other onlookers and I don't feel the need to be a hero every time so I just kept riding, but again, it's virtually always a black male. It kind of goes into the studies that have shown that whites in places like Iowa that have no contact with such a population don't harbor the same sort of racist views as somebody that lives in Atlanta. If you're only contact with a group of people is through the worst elements making themselves visible, you're only going to have bad experiences. And I never really dealt with this sort of stuff in my entire life until I became heavily reliant on BART and worked an occupation that deals heavily with street people, homeless or otherwise.

But to think cops haven't gone through what I have to a much greater degree would take an extremely hopeful mind. I am absolutely positive that this sort of constant having to deal with the black community for crime upon crime does lead to racially biased tendencies in police departments. It adds up to the point of you just becoming numb to what you've witnessed.

As far as the bit you were talking about concerning a specific group in Jamaica having great runners, that's basically what I was getting at with the genetic aspect of things. If one element can exist within a key group of, say, ten thousand people, can't there be a similar isolated gene in twenty thousand or two billion, etc.? I think we're on the same page here although I did a poor effort highlighting my thought process when just saying "black"...but going off of that argument, you could make a contention that there is a genetic element to criminal activity with genes being potentially responsible, such as a variant of the MAOA gene happenning to an extreme degree with a subset of black men and hardly anybody else and it was even effectively used as a defense in a criminal trial.

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Again, this would have nothing to do with Black Americans and everything to do with a small subgroup that just happens to be black but it can certainly go a long way when it comes to public perception.

BTW, I have never been mugged. Assaulted on the job once and calling the police on someone for committing a crime another time. But assault is assault and both times I was left speechless that somebody would attempt to do as such, especially given the circumstances. One individual who likes to hang around my building at work, so why shit where you live? And the other was effectively caught on public transit with all the cameras and everything else including the train STOPPED so the police could do a pick-up and he still decided to slap me on the head. Beyond the citation, he was arrested on an outstanding warrant unsurprisingly.

Again, the 80 percent rule of that many people lurking around the area where I work two night shifts a week being black or that many being responsible for this sort of stuff is about on the nose for what I've dealt with in the six years of what's a generally easy and rewarding occupation. And not once have I thought of any of these incidents (and believe me, they number in the dozens upon dozens) to be reflective of the black community at large or anything else. But I really can't understand, either, the naivete of some people because the odds are extremely likely that the able-bodied young black male out on the streets of a major city at 3 AM is likely not going to have your best interests in mind.
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tourists of all colours are way louder than any local black people here.
Just an example to fit this stereotype that I was referring to...listening to music on public transit without headphones. As in, a young black person listening to rap on their iPod at an alarming volume and annoying everyone on BART or Muni. I've probably had this happen about a dozen times since moving back to the Bay Area and about ten of the incidents where a young black person. It's a cultural thing or whatever you want to call it, but that's an example of someone being needlessly loud, and again, blacks make up only 6% of San Francisco's population.

I do think the black community in general can be louder, but I don't see that as a racial thing but rather a social one. They tend to have much larger social networks, talk twice as much on Twitter, etc. Just in the same way you would consider teenage girls to be more sociable than your average teenage boy, etc. And I've never in my life been in close contact with men outside of a sporting event that were as excitable and loud as a group of young women going to the club or a concert, etc.

I think there's a lot of people outside the bubble although some can relate...it's just a different world in the inner cities of America and a lot of it is mind blowing in a bad way. I mean, you think watching a lot of shiftless males walk around your building at work for drugs or prostitutes can be soul draining, wait until you see a black guy in a wheelchair doing the same by pushing himself backwards with his feet. Yes, literally a down-on-their luck and barely mobile individual choosing to be outside at 3 in the morning in order to live the street life. That to me is an example of this sort of mentality through whatever confluence of society, culture and genetics that makes someone seemingly beyond redemption.
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Just an example to fit this stereotype that I was referring to...listening to music on public transit without headphones. As in, a young black person listening to rap on their iPod at an alarming volume and annoying everyone on BART or Muni. I've probably had this happen about a dozen times since moving back to the Bay Area and about ten of the incidents where a young black person. It's a cultural thing or whatever you want to call it, but that's an example of someone being needlessly loud, and again, blacks make up only 6% of San Francisco's population.

I do think the black community in general can be louder, but I don't see that as a racial thing but rather a social one. They tend to have much larger social networks, talk twice as much on Twitter, etc. Just in the same way you would consider teenage girls to be more sociable than your average teenage boy, etc. And I've never in my life been in close contact with men outside of a sporting event that were as excitable and loud as a group of young women going to the club or a concert, etc.

I think there's a lot of people outside the bubble although some can relate...it's just a different world in the inner cities of America and a lot of it is mind blowing in a bad way. I mean, you think watching a lot of shiftless males walk around your building at work for drugs or prostitutes can be soul draining, wait until you see a black guy in a wheelchair doing the same by pushing himself backwards with his feet. Yes, literally a down-on-their luck and barely mobile individual choosing to be outside at 3 in the morning in order to live the street life. That to me is an example of this sort of mentality through whatever confluence of society, culture and genetics that makes someone seemingly beyond redemption.
I go through the heart of Chicago every single day, often on public transit, and I can tell you that the type of derelict or perceived anti-social behavior you describe is distributed pretty damn evenly among races, ages, sexes, and basically any other demographic out there. It is absolutely not gravitational to any specific demographic.
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