Racism: glorified hyperbole in America

[iron yuppie]

One of the most eye-opening experiences I had concerning Islam was in Istanbul, where many women were wearing traditional Muslim headwear, but in ways that accented their outfits - as a fashion statement. A hijab or burka is not necessarily a sign of traditionalism.

[bono_212]

I just finished reading Persepolis and there was a great chapter about the ways people would show their defiance to wearing them, simply by letting their bangs show.

Though of course that was a country where wearing them is the law, still.

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[anitram]

Originally Posted by bono_212

I just finished reading Persepolis and there was a great chapter about the ways people would show their defiance to wearing them, simply by letting their bangs show.

Though of course that was a country where wearing them is the law, still.

This reminds me of a world monotheism class I took as an elective in University, large class of like 400+ where a student insisted that "every hair shown [on a woman] is a stab through the heart of Allah."

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

In the particular case of Islam, it is very much so a man-on-woman act. Nobody look at my wife because she's for my private eyes only. It's somewhat possessive.

i would suggest coming to toronto and seeing how many women freely choose to wear the hijab (or not) before you make a blanket statement like that, my friend.

and also, it is stated explicitly several times in the torah and the bible that women must cover their heads due to their inferiority to men, so i really don't know why you think there's any difference with the examples i gave.

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by DaveC

i would suggest coming to toronto and seeing how many women freely choose to wear the hijab (or not) before you make a blanket statement like that, my friend.

and also, it is stated explicitly several times in the torah and the bible that women must cover their heads due to their inferiority to men, so i really don't know why you think there's any difference with the examples i gave.

Blanket statement? It's not a blanket statement. I never suggested it was the viewpoint of every Muslim, nor did I suggest it was exclusive to the scriptures of Islam.

And excuse me for not being as cultured as Toronto. I suppose growing up as a first generation Egyptian American within that society, living in a diverse and touristic population of Orlando later on, and now living in a city in England where being white doesn't constitute you as part of a majority, I suppose I must just be some ass backwards Casey Anthony you see on TV. But yeah, Toronto.

And where was I singling out Christianity or Judaism as not potentially objectifying women? It's a product of patriarchal religions. Inclusive of Christianity and Judaism. You're being defensive of Islam, simply because you feel like I'm attacking it. I don't make an exception for one religion or another, it just so happened to be the discussion at hand. And like I said, the most important part of freedom of religion is your ability to choose what religion you have or do not have. I'm not going to "shame" someone because of a choice they make, even if that choice has no agreement or appeal to me.

[DaveC]

i think we'd better walk away from this field of strawmen i can see we've both created and just set it on fire.

apologies if you took my words personally.

[corianderstem]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Speaking of Amish, don't they like, allow their people a year in the city life and give them the choice to stay or go?

Rumspringa!

i saw a fascinating documentary a few years back that followed a handful of Amish teens on their year of Rumspringa. Man, those kids partied HARD. If i recall correctly, most if not all of them then returned to the community.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

If you're going to be the hero who stands up against oppression, probably best not to wear a shirt featuring Fidel Castro.

[LuckyNumber7]

Originally Posted by DaveC

i think we'd better walk away from this field of strawmen i can see we've both created and just set it on fire.

apologies if you took my words personally.

Love ya Dave, sorry for getting testy.

[Dfit00]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

And excuse me for not being as cultured as Toronto. I suppose growing up as a first generation Egyptian American within that society, living in a diverse and touristic population of Orlando later on, and now living in a city in England where being white doesn't constitute you as part of a majority, I suppose I must just be some ass backwards Casey Anthony you see on TV. But yeah, Toronto.

Casey Anthony really did some serious damage to the Orlando area.

Good for you for moving to England. Florida is a complete shithole that doesn't have any culture whatsoever.

[LuckyNumber7]

Central Florida typically is the exception. Ironically, media would make you think otherwise.

[Irvine511]

People who make sweeping generalizations about nation-states with more than 20m people are dickheads.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

People who make sweeping generalizations about nation-states with more than 20m people are dickheads.

Except Canada... All of those sweeping generalizations are true

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by Headache in a Suitcase

Except Canada... All of those sweeping generalizations are true

Well, obviously. Everyone knows that.

[DaveC]

Originally Posted by LuckyNumber7

Love ya Dave, sorry for getting testy.

no worries, i did (and do ) too.

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Heh. Testy

[Bluer White]

Calif. university latest to establish 'black-only' housing | Fox News

[trojanchick99]

Shocking. USC has has an African-American floor for over 20 years.

Even more shocking, we've also had a Latino floor that same amount of time.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by Bluer White

Calif. university latest to establish 'black-only' housing | Fox News

If true; it's a bad move.


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[BigMacPhisto]

Chicago's 500 Homicides: How We Got Here

"Some Chicagoans partly blame the violence on economic struggles and lack of jobs. However, Chicago's unemployment rate fell from 6.1% in 2015 to 5.5% in 2016."

Again, the violence has more to do with a cultural thing than it does with a lack of opportunity. Being poor doesn't just make someone pick up a gun and shoot somebody else. Media aimed at the black community glorifies violence and so does street culture. Couple that with a country as gun loving as ours and you get such a predictable result.