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Old 08-29-2016, 06:51 PM   #621
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It's a conservative sleight of hand.

They've been programmed; anytime someone mentions racism, they have to automatically say Chicago.

It's feigned concern to distract from racism. Since it's all just hyperbole.


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Old 08-29-2016, 06:55 PM   #622
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Yeah, it's sort of avoiding the point by bringing up something "sort of" related but not really.
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Old 08-29-2016, 07:02 PM   #623
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Since it's all just hyperbole.


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You forgot 'Glorified'


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I think it's related. It's the high level of black violence that in turn helps make the police afraid and trigger happy and leads to shootings like this which further destabilize the community and continue the vicious cycle anew.

I think the fear running through the cops that any black guy on the street could have a gun leads to most of these situations although a sizable handful are still done by bumbling idiots and/or racists and/or trigger happy nut jobs.

Stricter gun control laws that make it a felony to even own handguns and automatic rifles would really solve most of this problem. Few would be stupid enough to possess one if it automatically meant a 20 year minimum jail sentence. Less guns in the black community equals less cops fearing for their lives equals less police shootings of civilians.
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Chicago has a VIOLENCE problem, plain and simple. And it's related to the African American community of Chicago.

In other major urban areas, it's not the same. Chicago is an outlier. Yes, you might see discrepancies of race correlated violence in other major cities, but I think we've all discussed this before and sort of agreed in some part that socioeconomic factors are likely what cause that to be the case.

But Chicago in particular has it really bad. So to suggest they're related... they're in the same ballpark. But it's not really the same thing. Plus, you're deviating from what "the same thing" initially meant. Chicago doesn't prove that cops don't have a bias. I get what you're saying, BMP, but initially the point was that Trump was seizing an opportunity to stand with the black community even though he isn't actually doing so.
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You'd think this would be in the gun thread.
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This Kaepernick dude is awesome.
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Agreed. I'm always uncomfortable with overt displays of patriotism, which can easily become chauvinism, and those are so common here in sports culture. It's quite authoritarian, in a way. You either conform or you don't. So I'm glad he basically dared to question the whole set up. Of course, it took all of 3 seconds for sports journalists (mostly a white middle class crowd) to enlighten the world with their hot takes.

There's a wonderful novel about the authoritarianism/violence of sports culture called Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk. I can't recommend it enough. It's coming out as a movie soon, directed by Ang Lee.
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If Kap plays teams will have bounties on his head


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That's just a load of crap.

Agree or disagree with his stance, the entire point of America is that he should be afforded the freedom to make his stance.

Perhaps Kaepernick just wants to make America great again.
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That's just a load of crap.

Agree or disagree with his stance, the entire point of America is that he should be afforded the freedom to make his stance.

Perhaps Kaepernick just wants to make America great again.
Rich white man calls the system rigged and he's considered "anti-establishment" and they want to give him the keys to the kingdom.

Rich black man calls the system oppressive and he's called a traitor and suggestions of bounties for his head are all over the internet.

Very telling...
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Rich white man calls the system rigged and he's considered "anti-establishment" and they want to give him the keys to the kingdom.

Rich black man calls the system oppressive and he's called a traitor and suggestions of bounties for his head are all over the internet.

Very telling...
I mean... Trump's entire thing is that we need to make America great again, but when somebody exercises his constitutional rights to protest American policy, Trump thinks he should find another country if he doesn't like it.
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That's just a load of crap.

Agree or disagree with his stance, the entire point of America is that he should be afforded the freedom to make his stance.

Perhaps Kaepernick just wants to make America great again.

A bit hyperbolic on my part. There are some players that will love to put a hard hit on Kap because of his action.


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A bit hyperbolic on my part. There are some players that will love to put a hard hit on Kap because of his action.


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Like all the players who took out the Rams for their Ferguson protest last year?

Oh wait, that's right. Nobody did a thing.
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A bit hyperbolic on my part. There are some players that will love to put a hard hit on Kap because of his action.


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QB will need to get on the field first
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There's a wonderful novel about the authoritarianism/violence of sports culture called Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk. I can't recommend it enough. It's coming out as a movie soon, directed by Ang Lee.
That book was really great.

I don't really have an opinion on Kaepernick other than I don't like him, but that's more of a football thing than a protest thing. I will say that I had a bigger response to what's-his-name's opinion piece about why he doesn't support the national anthem, as I didn't know Francis Scott Key was such a racist asshole.

Honestly, had Kaepernick said "I'm not standing up because dude, have you read about the history of the song and of Francis Scott Key? Fuck that guy, that shouldn't be our anthem" instead of his actual response (which sounded so vague that it just reeked of "hmm, no one's talking about me, I think I'm gonna have to fix that"), I would have more respect for his gesture.





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here's the thing these armchair patriots always forget: there's no law stating you have to stand for the pledge or anthem. there's no law stating you have to put your right hand on your heart during either. there's also established legal precedent showing burning the flag is free speech, not a hate crime or treason or anything.

the media and these hyper-patriots need to focus on something else. first there was douglas during the olympics, now this. of course they're both black athletes. that's why the media focuses on them and doesn't report when trump doesn't put his hand on his heart either.

my point is that this is all just crap. none of it matters. so someone doesn't stand up for something that hive mentality tells us we should. so what? there's no violent call to arms, he's just protesting what he feels is wrong with society, and that's his right imo. i've probably worded this all badly but there you go.
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here's the thing these armchair patriots always forget: there's no law stating you have to stand for the pledge or anthem. there's no law stating you have to put your right hand on your heart during either. there's also established legal precedent showing burning the flag is free speech, not a hate crime or treason or anything.
This isn't news

Kaep and your 'armchair patriots' have the same standing.

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Kaep also says this:

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"I mean, you have Hillary who's called black teens or black kids super-predators.

You have Donald Trump who's openly racist.

I mean, we have a presidential candidate (Hillary) who's deleted emails and done things illegally and is a presidential candidate. That doesn't make sense to me, because if that was any other person, you'd be in prison.

So what is this country really standing for?"
Consider the source and move on
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The first two lines are on the money, at the very least.
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