Racism: glorified hyperbole in America

[bobsaget77]

Originally Posted by BVS

So by definition, the Trump campaign would fall under the same qualification, right? It's created an environment of hatred and distrust and few individuals acted in violence on their own accord.


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You are absolutely cracked in the head. Have Trump supporters had anyone killed? Are they out chanting "kill Hispanics" or "kill blacks"?


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[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

You are absolutely cracked in the head. Have Trump supporters had anyone killed? Are they out chanting "kill Hispanics" or "kill blacks"?


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http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/20/politi...oston-beating/


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[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by iron yuppie

It baffles me how anyone could think that black people are unconcerned with black-on-black violence (I realize how much I dislike that phrase as I type it).

There is no parent who suffers through their child being hit by a stray bullet from a gang shoot-out and then just shrugs their shoulders about it, like "oh well, that's just life in south-side Chicago."

absolutely. gun control has much higher support among black americans than white americans.

of course, gun rights have become an essential component of white identity since the 1980s. so pretty unsurprising.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

You are absolutely cracked in the head. Have Trump supporters had anyone killed? Are they out chanting "kill Hispanics" or "kill blacks"?


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That's pretty much my point. BLM is not an organized group; there are no fees, national newsletter or elected leaders, it's a movement. And so far there has not been any real connection with the shooters and any previous BLM activities, they acted out on their own hate riding the coattails of the event.

Just like individuals who beat a Hispanic US citizen nearly to death in the name of Trump or the Neo Nazis that attacking people outside his rallies.

Pay attention to the facts, not the agenda.

[bobsaget77]

Originally Posted by nbelcik

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/20/politi...oston-beating/


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First of all, that kind of behavior is run of the mill, every day stuff for these BLM thugs. Find me a source where Trump supporters are out looting people, burning down businesses and committing wide spread assault? Find me a source where Trump supporters have hijacked and permanently destroyed cities by committing senseless violence against innocent people? Find me a source where someone was actually killed in the name of Trump? And again my original question, find me some video or source of Trump supporters chanting "death to Hispanics" or "death to blacks".
Moreover, Trump shot down the violence immediately. Unlike BLM, which after weeks of dead cops on the streets gives some half-ass apology.


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[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

First of all, that kind of behavior is run of the mill, every day stuff for these BLM thugs. Find me a source where Trump supporters are out looting people, burning down businesses and committing wide spread assault? Find me a source where Trump supporters have hijacked and permanently destroyed cities by committing senseless violence against innocent people? Find me a source where someone was actually killed in the name of Trump? And again my original question, find me some video or source of Trump supporters chanting "death to Hispanics" or "death to blacks".
Moreover, Trump shot down the violence immediately. Unlike BLM, which after weeks of dead cops on the streets gives some half-ass apology.

i'm an optimist. i really am. i still think the world only spins forward.

but it's stuff like this that makes me so very, very worried about everything.

[bobsaget77]

Originally Posted by BVS

That's pretty much my point. BLM is not an organized group; there are no fees, national newsletter or elected leaders, it's a movement. And so far there has not been any real connection with the shooters and any previous BLM activities, they acted out on their own hate riding the coattails of the event.



Just like individuals who beat a Hispanic US citizen nearly to death in the name of Trump or the Neo Nazis that attacking people outside his rallies.



Pay attention to the facts, not the agenda.

The amount of "violence" caused by Trump supporters is so minuscule compared to that of BLM. It's not even remotely close. Have trump supporters tried to kill anyone?
An "environment of hatred"? Give me a break. Pay attention to the facts, not your personal agenda. Your agenda makes it about Hispanics, we make it about lawbreaking illegals.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

Have trump supporters tried to kill anyone?

Once again; is this BLM or individuals acting on their own?

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

An "environment of hatred"? Give me a break. Pay attention to the facts, not your personal agenda. Your agenda makes it about Hispanics, we make it about lawbreaking illegals.

False. Don't kid yourself. Trump's first rant talked about Mexico sending rapist, and he's sure there are a few good ones. Never did he mention illegal. He then made a comment about Jeb is light on immigration because his wife is Hispanic. Then the judge who was born in the US should recuse himself because he's Hispanic. He's painted them all with the same brush, it doesn't matter if they are legal or not, he's made the attack about Hispanics, open your eyes.

[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by bobsaget77

First of all, that kind of behavior is run of the mill, every day stuff for these BLM thugs. Find me a source where Trump supporters are out looting people, burning down businesses and committing wide spread assault? Find me a source where Trump supporters have hijacked and permanently destroyed cities by committing senseless violence against innocent people? Find me a source where someone was actually killed in the name of Trump? And again my original question, find me some video or source of Trump supporters chanting "death to Hispanics" or "death to blacks".
Moreover, Trump shot down the violence immediately. Unlike BLM, which after weeks of dead cops on the streets gives some half-ass apology.


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Some cops kill black people, therefore every single cop hates black people. See how easy it is to stereotype?

And wrong, people who are widely considered to be leaders of BLM (even though it isn't an organization, but rather a movement which has no leaders), immediately condemned the killings in Dallas.


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[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

i'm an optimist. i really am. i still think the world only spins forward.



but it's stuff like this that makes me so very, very worried about everything.

I always remind myself how these people will be looked at in 60 years.




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[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by nbelcik

And wrong, people who are widely considered to be leaders of BLM (even though it isn't an organization, but rather a movement which has no leaders), immediately condemned the killings in Dallas.

Yep. They've stated that openly in TV interviews. And when they've explained the concept of their movement in said interviews, absolutely nowhere in their explanations have they once advocated violence towards police or civilians.

Terrorists, on the other hand, tend to take credit for the violence that happens, whether they were actively involved or not. And they don't take the time to explain their message on your average late night talk show or town hall meeting. Kinda goes against the whole "terrorist" mindset/behavior, after all.

Just a reminder of the difference for you, bob, if you read this.

[BigMacPhisto]

Originally Posted by BVS

because they are entirely two different issues, both terrible and need to be addressed, but quit bringing up one to sweep the other under the rug.

I'm not sweeping it under the rug, just pointing out that the amount of, say, Twitter text devoted to police murders far overwhelms that devoted to black-on-black violence even though the latter accounts for far, far more violence. You're not going to address fearful police until you try to fix the problem of crime in the community. To outsiders, BLM just looks like some anti-police group, waiting for the next incident that they can point fingers at. Every murdered suspect then becomes some innocent martyr whose egregious sins are overlooked and every cop becomes the devil incarnate, no matter the circumstances.

If Black Lives Matter, focus on all black deaths lost to violence, not just from what are usually murky situations with cops.

[Irvine511]

I really dislike the term "black-on-black" violence.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

I'm not sweeping it under the rug, just pointing out that the amount of, say, Twitter text devoted to police murders far overwhelms that devoted to black-on-black violence even though the latter accounts for far, far more violence. You're not going to address fearful police until you try to fix the problem of crime in the community. To outsiders, BLM just looks like some anti-police group, waiting for the next incident that they can point fingers at. Every murdered suspect then becomes some innocent martyr whose egregious sins are overlooked and every cop becomes the devil incarnate, no matter the circumstances.

If Black Lives Matter, focus on all black deaths lost to violence, not just from what are usually murky situations with cops.

Black lives matter isn't only about violence. Like I said, they are separate issues. Black lives matter is about the fact that police will show much more hesitation and restraint if the skin color is light. Look at the statistics of unarmed white arrests vs black being shot. It shows people that some lives are more valuable than others, that's what this is about.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

I really dislike the term "black-on-black" violence.

Any other violence is just "violence".


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[iron yuppie]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

Every murdered suspect then becomes some innocent martyr whose egregious sins are overlooked and every cop becomes the devil incarnate, no matter the circumstances.

I don't think anyone is claiming that all the people struck down by police violence are model citizens. But how is it conscionable that someone like Eric Garner should die over selling loose cigarettes?

[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

I'm not sweeping it under the rug, just pointing out that the amount of, say, Twitter text devoted to police murders far overwhelms that devoted to black-on-black violence even though the latter accounts for far, far more violence. You're not going to address fearful police until you try to fix the problem of crime in the community. To outsiders, BLM just looks like some anti-police group, waiting for the next incident that they can point fingers at. Every murdered suspect then becomes some innocent martyr whose egregious sins are overlooked and every cop becomes the devil incarnate, no matter the circumstances.

If Black Lives Matter, focus on all black deaths lost to violence, not just from what are usually murky situations with cops.

Can you really not distinguish between killings carried out by ordinary citizens and killings carried out by agents of the state and why the difference between those two matters?


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[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

I really dislike the term "black-on-black" violence.

Most white people are killed by other who're people, we need to end this white-on-white violence.


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[BVS]

Police And Black Lives Matter Hold A Cookout, And Praise Rolls In : The Two-Way : NPR

Fuck this terrorist organization.

[Oregoropa]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

I really dislike the term "black-on-black" violence.

How would you prefer it described ?


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