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Old 07-13-2016, 07:38 PM   #441
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Although compliance certainly would have helped in a lot of situations...

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Old 07-13-2016, 09:37 PM   #442
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Obama's speech at the memorial service in Dallas, for anyone who's interested. It's a good one.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/read-pres...203011684.html

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When anyone, no matter how good their intentions may be, paints all police as biased, or bigoted, we undermine those officers that we depend on for our safety. And as for those who use rhetoric suggesting harm to police, even if they don’t act on it themselves, well, they not only make the jobs of police officers even more dangerous, but they do a disservice to the very cause of justice that they claim to promote.

We also know that centuries of racial discrimination, of slavery, and subjugation, and Jim Crow; they didn’t simply vanish with the law against segregation. They didn’t necessarily stop when a Dr. King speech, or when the civil rights act or voting rights act were signed. Race relations have improved dramatically in my lifetime. Those who deny it are dishonoring the struggles that helped us achieve that progress. But we know…

But America, we know that bias remains. We know it, whether you are black, or white, or Hispanic, or Asian, or native American, or of Middle Eastern descent, we have all seen this bigotry in our own lives at some point. We’ve heard it at times in our own homes. If we’re honest, perhaps we’ve heard prejudice in our own heads and felt it in our own hearts. We know that. And while some suffer far more under racism’s burden, some feel to a far greater extent discrimination’s stain. Although most of us do our best to guard against it and teach our children better, none of us is entirely innocent. No institution is entirely immune, and that includes our police departments. We know this.

And so when African-Americans from all walks of life, from different communities across the country, voice a growing despair over what they perceive to be unequal treatment, when study after study shows that whites and people of color experience the criminal justice system differently. So that if you’re black, you’re more likely to be pulled over or searched or arrested; more likely to get longer sentences; more likely to get the death penalty for the same crime. When mothers and fathers raised their kids right, and have the talk about how to respond if stopped by a police officer — yes, sir; no, sir — but still fear that something terrible may happen when their child walks out the door; still fear that kids being stupid and not quite doing things right might end in tragedy.

When all this takes place, more than 50 years after the passage of the Civil Rights Act, we cannot simply turn away and dismiss those in peaceful protest as troublemakers or paranoid.

We can’t simply dismiss it as a symptom of political correctness or reverse racism. To have your experience denied like that, dismissed by those in authority, dismissed perhaps even by your white friends and coworkers and fellow church members, again and again and again, it hurts. Surely we can see that, all of us.

We also know what Chief Brown has said is true, that so much of the tensions between police departments and minority communities that they serve is because we ask the police to do too much and we ask too little of ourselves.

As a society, we choose to under-invest in decent schools. We allow poverty to fester so that entire neighborhoods offer no prospect for gainful employment. We refuse to fund drug treatment and mental health programs.

We flood communities with so many guns that it is easier for a teenager to buy a Glock than get his hands on a computer or even a book.

And then we tell the police, “You’re a social worker; you’re the parent; you’re the teacher; you’re the drug counselor.” We tell them to keep those neighborhoods in check at all costs and do so without causing any political blowback or inconvenience; don’t make a mistake that might disturb our own peace of mind. And then we feign surprise when periodically the tensions boil over.
I'm going to miss this guy when he leaves office.
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:35 AM   #443
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Yeah, it was quite a good speech. Very moving. And he "went there" .
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Old 07-14-2016, 01:31 PM   #444
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Senator Tim Scott Delivered A Personal Speech On His Encounters With Police : NPR

Why are the Republicans being so divisive? Don't they know we have to sweep? Party line says to sweep this under the rug. It's hyperbole, this does not really happen.
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Old 07-14-2016, 01:54 PM   #445
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a wrong conclusion, but an easy place to go to because it supports your bias


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Sheriff Clarke castrates Don Lemon on live TV.
https://youtu.be/dAu44wVgb58


Props to Sheriff Clarke for calling BLM what it is: a terrorist group.


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Props to Sheriff Clarke for calling BLM what it is: a terrorist group.


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If Black Lives Matter Isn’t A Racist Hate Group, Then Can Someone Please Explain To Me Why I Keep Insisting They Are?

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Props to Sheriff Clarke for calling BLM what it is: a terrorist group.
Yeah, no.
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Sheriff Clarke castrates Don Lemon on live TV.
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Props to Sheriff Clarke for calling BLM what it is: a terrorist group.


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So by definition, the Trump campaign would fall under the same qualification, right? It's created an environment of hatred and distrust and few individuals acted in violence on their own accord.


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Hell, in black communities, the police could be considered a terrorist group, albeit one that's supported by the state. The definition of terrorism according to the Encyclopedia Britannica is "the systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." I'd argue that in black communities, this applies to the police. They enforce their power through violence and brutality and often kill people through extra judicial means. Many black people fear the police as a result. Police also enforce the mass incarceration policies that are designed to incarcerate black Americans. The War on Drugs is the new Jim Crow and was designed to create a racial caste system. So you have systemic violence that creates fear that's designed to achieve a political objective.


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Let's not get carried away. The police are not "terrorist groups" in black neighborhoods. And a dictionary definition is being overly technical about what terrorism means.
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Don Lemon should have had a Big Kahuna Burger in front of him. That's how intense The Sheriff is.


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Hell, in black communities, the police could be considered a terrorist group, albeit one that's supported by the state. The definition of terrorism according to the Encyclopedia Britannica is "the systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective." I'd argue that in black communities, this applies to the police. They enforce their power through violence and brutality and often kill people through extra judicial means. Many black people fear the police as a result. Police also enforce the mass incarceration policies that are designed to incarcerate black Americans. The War on Drugs is the new Jim Crow and was designed to create a racial caste system. So you have systemic violence that creates fear that's designed to achieve a political objective.


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Wish you'd pump the brakes a little bit on your law enforcement take.
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Wish you'd pump the brakes a little bit on your law enforcement take.

I understand that my take is extremely hot. It's obviously not meant to be taken too seriously. It's more of a Devil's advocate, sorry everyone if you're sick of that phrase. I just believe that the amount of violence that is perpetrated by black Americans along with mass incarceration policies represent a troubling form of authoritarianism that white Americans support because it isn't directed against them.


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I just believe that the amount of violence that is perpetrated by black Americans
Interesting slip of the tongue which I certainly can agree.
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The definition of terrorism according to the Encyclopedia Britannica is "the systematic use of violence to create a general climate of fear in a population and thereby to bring about a particular political objective."
So, what is the political objective of black-on-black violence which certainly "terrorizes" the black community hundreds of times more than some cops occasionally going off the handle.
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Interesting slip of the tongue which I certainly can agree.

Slip of the tongue, or are you just selectively quoting the portion that suits you best while ignoring his intention? I'm confused.
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I got their intention, certainly, I just think BLM proponents often focus almost entirely on the horrendous murders by police and don't even want to bat an eye at the bigger problem of crime in their own communities, with murder rates that dwarf those caused by police and is the reason why so many police are in the areas to begin with (and fearful).

This black cop's facebook post that went viral says what I'm getting at:

https://www.facebook.com/jay.stalien...11372818974402
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I got their intention, certainly, I just think BLM proponents often focus almost entirely on the horrendous murders by police and don't even want to bat an eye at the bigger problem of crime in their own communities, with murder rates that dwarf those caused by police and is the reason why so many police are in the areas to begin with (and fearful).
because they are entirely two different issues, both terrible and need to be addressed, but quit bringing up one to sweep the other under the rug. Your Hannity/Breitbart talking points are getting tiresome; no intelligent thinking person should fall for that shit.

One is an issue of violence amongst neighbors in cyclically poverty striken and poorly educated areas.

Another is an issue of violence from state paid authority figures there to protect and uphold the law. These issues are not interchangeable, you're showing your true colors by trying to play this shell game.
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It baffles me how anyone could think that black people are unconcerned with black-on-black violence (I realize how much I dislike that phrase as I type it).

There is no parent who suffers through their child being hit by a stray bullet from a gang shoot-out and then just shrugs their shoulders about it, like "oh well, that's just life in south-side Chicago."
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