Racism: glorified hyperbole in America

[iron yuppie]

Originally Posted by BVS

Committing? Or getting arrested and convicted?

This is the key point. Crime rates are a function of enforcement. People seem to forget this very frequently.

[digitize]

Originally Posted by BVS

Committing? Or getting arrested and convicted?



White teenagers have a much smaller conviction rate than black teenagers when it comes to marijuana possession. It's not even close, yet the numbers are almost even when it comes to both admitting use.

I agree with you on drug crimes, but could you really make this argument on violent crimes?


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[iron yuppie]

Depends on how you define "violent." How many sexual assaults go unreported or uninvestigated?

[digitize]

Originally Posted by iron yuppie

Depends on how you define "violent." How many sexual assaults go unreported or uninvestigated?

This is a really good point, and somewhere where our horrific lack of data makes it hard to reach good conclusions, sadly.


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[BVS]

Originally Posted by digitize

I agree with you on drug crimes, but could you really make this argument on violent crimes?


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Yes, white men get away with domestic abuse, rape, and assault more than someone of color.


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[deep]

Don't you think you should just kill yourself or at least give everything you have to people of color, as one small step towards all the reparations owed?

[BigMacPhisto]

Originally Posted by PhilsFan

Crazy how once social media kicked off, we got a bunch of frequent visual evidence of the systemic racism in policing that black people had been talking about for decades.

Crazier still how black people are definitely making it all up and ignoring their culture of crime!

I've seen some of the videos. It's murder. Almost nobody here is denying that.

As far as violent crimes are concerned, if anyone's "getting away" with them, then we have a problem. But I doubt there's whites getting away with major crimes like murder or extreme assault because they're white. And if they are, blame it on a stupid jury.

Personally, I think as a society that wants to move forward, we should have even harsher penalties when it comes to violent crimes. There's no excuse for it. If you make it a sentence that's twice as long for assaulting someone out on the street, people will pay attention. There's no excuse in 2016 for any human being to physically harm any other human being.

[BigMacPhisto]

Originally Posted by deep

Don't you think you should just kill yourself or at least give everything you have to people of color, as one small step towards all the reparations owed?

Yeah, that 3/4 of my grand and great-grandparents that I know came here deep into the 20th century as immigrants are so responsible for slavery.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by deep

Don't you think you should just kill yourself or at least give everything you have to people of color, as one small step towards all the reparations owed?

Can always count on you for an asinine troll in an otherwise good-faith discussion.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by BigMacPhisto

I've seen some of the videos. It's murder. Almost nobody here is denying that.

As far as violent crimes are concerned, if anyone's "getting away" with them, then we have a problem. But I doubt there's whites getting away with major crimes like murder or extreme assault because they're white. And if they are, blame it on a stupid jury.

Rape and domestic abuse aren't "major" crimes?




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[cobl04]

Not even 24 hours after a black man was murdered by a cop another black man has been shot reaching for his wallet in front of his girlfriend and four-year-old daughter.

[nbelcik]

Originally Posted by cobl04

Not even 24 hours after a black man was murdered by a cop another black man has been shot reaching for his wallet in front of his girlfriend and four-year-old daughter.

They fucking gunned him down in front of his child. He did everything right. He had a permit to carry and informed the fucking cop. They told him to reach for his ID and they fucking shot him. I just can't comprehend that. The video is heartbreaking to watch, I just can't believe they murdered him like that


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[cobl04]

And then he realises what he's done and starts yelling. There is something deeply, deeply wrong about America.

[deep]

This is just 100 % terrible

Police In St. Paul Suburb Fatally Shoot Man During Traffic Stop

[BVS]

The NRA did not intend for conceal carry to be extended to the black folk, because even the true progressive knows if you're black you commit more crimes.


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[cobl04]

UMMM I just found out that YOUR FUCKING POLICE are not a Government body?!?!! But controlled by local councils?!!?!? What the ABSOLUTE FUCK?!!!!

[cobl04]

Your country is so deeply, deeply fucked up.

[BVS]

Originally Posted by cobl04

UMMM I just found out that YOUR FUCKING POLICE are not a Government body?!?!! But controlled by local councils?!!?!? What the ABSOLUTE FUCK?!!!!

We have state police and local police, both are part of those government bodies. I'm not sure I understand your outrage.


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[cobl04]

from a friend (who happens to live in MN):

"it depends on the city and their mayoral system, for the most part. either the mayor or the city council has *some* control over what the cops do. city council approves their budgets, etc.

in minneapolis proper, we have a weak mayoral system, so more of the power goes to city council, but it's still mostly budgetary power. the cops can make their own policies and procedures. that's why the body cam thing is so weird in our state...cities implemented usage of them and created policies, but now the state legislature has been trying to create a law that would create some rules on how long the videos are kept. and if that ever passes, cops will be subject to following that.

uh, so basically it's a big mess as to who runs the cops?"

[Headache in a Suitcase]

Originally Posted by cobl04

And then he realises what he's done and starts yelling. There is something deeply, deeply wrong about America.

Well, yea... but there's something deeply wrong with society in general. So it's hardly our issue alone (except the gun issue, of course. That shit's all ours... USA!)

The officer is clearly in a panic after the incident. You can hear it in his voice as he's screaming about telling him not to reach for anything. The woman contradicts him and says that he did tell him for his license and registration. Whos telling the truth is unclear. Probably somewhere in between.

The emotion from this video is overwhelming, but there is a jump to conclusions already by most. I suppose that's unavoidable, and the conclusions aren't exactly hard to jump to.

We don't know if the driver reached for his gun or not. We don't know if the officer told him not to reach for anything and he disobeyed the order, even if the disobeying of the order was innocent in nature (as in he was truly just going for his wallet). We don't know if the officer is lying to try and cover for what he clearly now sees as a huge mistake, and/or is panicking because of the cell phone video and trying to cover for his actions.

It's another reason why somebody on the national level needs to step in and mandate body cameras for all police forces. They aren't fool proof, and the video can still miss important details - but at the very least we'd know exactly how the interaction prior to the start of the video we have went down. Clearly some time passed between the shooting and the video being taken as the daughter had already been removed from the back seat of the car. In a time when middle schoolers are walking around with cameras that can go live to the world at a push of a button the fact that body cameras aren't mandatory nation wide for all police officers, for our protection and there's, is utterly baffling.

If you could see the driver making a quick movement after he was told not to reach for anything, this is a completely different story. If you saw that the officer didn't say anything about keeping his hands in sight then the DA's office can be much more confident in their case against the officer.

If in the end everything happened exactly as this woman described, then I'm sure the NRA will be there for the family of the victim to provide legal and financial support as he was a licensed gun owner.

Oh wait...