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Old 07-01-2016, 09:30 AM   #241
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We've spent so much time over the past 50 years discussing why and how racism is wrong and not so much time discussing what racism actually is.

Racism is not just people being mean to someone on account of their race, like in simple movies like The Help. Racism is (among many things) a prism through which everyone filters the world and their understanding of spoken and unspoken societal structures. We have to acknowledge that race does matter before we get to a point where race doesn't matter -- or that it doesn't matter any more than anything else.

I have to say that living in what's known as a "transitional" neighborhood deep in the inner city of a minority-majority city has opened my eyes in ways that are deeply uncomfortable. You see how pernicious racism actually is, while at the same time your good-hearted liberal platitudes are crushed by ugly realities. It's about race and it isn't. It's impossible to fully explain. It gives me equal parts hope and despair. At the end of the day, it really is more class and culture than race, but said class and culture were created because of race and institutional racism.

I should shut up. Too much to get into.
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Old 07-01-2016, 11:03 AM   #242
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We've spent so much time over the past 50 years discussing why and how racism is wrong and not so much time discussing what racism actually is.
I think this is a spot on assessment of why this issue is so complicated. I think a lot of people still imagine a racist to be someone who burns crosses on a black person's lawn, or the KKK, or someone calling a black person the "n" word. And most people would say, "Well, I don't talk like that to black people, I think the KKK and segregation were horrible, so I couldn't possibly be a racist!"

But like you said, it's often a hell of a lot more subtle than that. It's people questioning President Obama's birthplace, and actually debating whether or not he's a "true American". It's black people getting shot by police for crimes that I've seen white people merely getting arrested for. It's Trayvon Martin being targeted by some hyped up neighborhood vigilante simply because he's walking around a neighborhood at night with a hoodie on and "looks suspicious", despite the fact he was not doing anything wrong or criminal. And so on and so forth. I honestly don't think a lot of people understand the impact situations like that can have on society, and on the race issue.

There's also the fact that so often we boil racial issues down to white versus black, and we forget that other races struggle in their own ways, too. I've lived in towns that are almost entirely white, and any minorities who have lived there didn't always get treated well, or get the most welcome reception. It wasn't blatant, the racism, but it was definitely there.
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There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest.

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So sad to hear of his passing. I remember reading "Night" when I was in high school. Powerful book.
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:28 AM   #245
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I keep hearing the words "institutional and structural" racism and I just don't see it.
To paraphrase Upton Sinclair, it's difficult for you to see something when your entire world philosophy depends on not seeing it.
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Old 07-03-2016, 08:15 PM   #246
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About 17 years ago, I did a one week internship in a small city 2 hours outside my hometown.

After the week was over, I just couldn't wait to get back home. Without really thinking about it, I was driving really fast on the highway. I was pulled over by the provincial police.

Based on the conversation with the officer, I assumed I was going to be let off with a warning. But when he came back he told me he had to go out on another call and I'd be getting a very expensive ticket in the mail. So I lost it. I started yelling at him, telling him I'm a student, it was almost Christmas, and he had no heart. He was taken aback, then laughed, and told me to leave.

I am fully aware of the fact that if I was black and yelled at an officer like that, the scenario likely would have played out differently.

In fact, I bet that many of us, whether we know it or not, have probably been in situations where if we were of a different colour, it might have ended badly.

That's white privilege. And many are blindly unaware of it. But it most definitely exists. And the sooner we acknowledge its existence, the sooner we will be able to stamp out racism.
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I am fully aware of the fact that if I was black and yelled at an officer like that, the scenario likely would have played out differently..
for the longest time i always thought you looked just like georges laraque.

it just occurred to me that i probably saw a photo years ago and made a really dumb mistake.
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Old 07-03-2016, 09:40 PM   #248
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for the longest time i always thought you looked just like georges laraque.



it just occurred to me that i probably saw a photo years ago and made a really dumb mistake.

That's hilarious. I'm Italian. Well, first generation Canadian born to Italian parents.
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To paraphrase Upton Sinclair, it's difficult for you to see something when your entire world philosophy depends on not seeing it.
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I am fully aware of the fact that if I was black and yelled at an officer like that, the scenario likely would have played out differently.
If you were black, you very likely would have been instructed by your parents at a very early age on how to act if you are pulled over by the police and would never have even thought about yelling at him.
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The story only tells us something about one person,
He was a whiney crybaby who deserved a traffic ticket, the cop may have stopped a black kid and just asked him to slow down, no one knows.
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Police in Baton Rouge murdered Alton Sterling, a black man they had restrained on the ground. There's video but I won't link to it because it's horrific.
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Police in Baton Rouge murdered Alton Sterling, a black man they had restrained on the ground. There's video but I won't link to it because it's horrific.

I watched that video. It's one of the most horrible things I've ever seen. Black men are 25% of Baton Rouge's population, but make up 100% of those shot by police.


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like in simple movies like The Help.
You honestly summed that one up perfectly while being very succinct. Bravo!
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Racism: glorified hyperbole in America

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There may be times when we are powerless to prevent injustice, but there must never be a time when we fail to protest.

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Look at the text in the "star" they keep saying but but but the Star of David has a triangle inside a triangle. It is there. Look at where the text is placed. Star of Trump.

This is like the 34th time Trump did this.

So yeah buy into crooked Hillary all you want because you have been taught

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I watched that video. It's one of the most horrible things I've ever seen. Black men are 25% of Baton Rouge's population, but make up 100% of those shot by police.
And probably 90% of the crimes. People need to consider that police are going to be reckless regardless (although there often is a racial undercurrent at play in these shootings). A greater percentage of white deaths than black deaths occur at the hands of police, for example, which is probably a good reason why the community should be focused a wee bit more on the problems among themselves.

But, just out of necessity, black deaths by police happening at about double the expected rate (13% of the population being black) really isn't that surprising when you look at the crime statistics where blacks are way over-represented for every single crime nationwide with the exceptions of gambling and some driving related issues. Of course the police are going to be involved more often in those communities and of course the number of police shootings are going to be above what would be expected. There's more crime period.

I mean, do you want a personal experience? I work part-time security in San Francisco. It's a great gig, frankly. Black men make up about 6% of the population there, but literally make up at least 80% of the people walking the streets downtown at night around 3AM, most of them not even homeless. And it's not conjecture, it's an observation that's stayed true over the half decade I've worked there. You can't tell me there's not a culture issue at play there. Otherwise, you'd just be making a racist assumption that black men are genetically predisposed to walking around urban areas for no reason. Likewise, most of the major crimes I've had to report from seeing men and women assaulted to major property damage, etc. have been done by black males.

Changes need to be made. Even one unnecessary death at the hands of the police is too many, and the ones that reek of downright murder are completely abhorrent. But this is something where the spotlight is often shining a little too bright and people are quick to jump to conclusions, such as having protest rallies immediately when a black guy is shot at a gas station and then, the next day, the Mayor and the videotape come out showing him literally pulling out a gun and firing at an officer. Let's work together with like minds to resolve this problem that's running rampant across police localities across the country without being quick to play the race card.
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And probably 90% of the crimes. People need to consider that police are going to be reckless regardless (although there often is a racial undercurrent at play in these shootings). A greater percentage of white deaths than black deaths occur at the hands of police, for example, which is probably a good reason why the community should be focused a wee bit more on the problems among themselves.

But, just out of necessity, black deaths by police happening at about double the expected rate (13% of the population being black) really isn't that surprising when you look at the crime statistics where blacks are way over-represented for every single crime nationwide with the exceptions of gambling and some driving related issues. Of course the police are going to be involved more often in those communities and of course the number of police shootings are going to be above what would be expected. There's more crime period.

I mean, do you want a personal experience? I work part-time security in San Francisco. It's a great gig, frankly. Black men make up about 6% of the population there, but literally make up at least 80% of the people walking the streets downtown at night around 3AM, most of them not even homeless. And it's not conjecture, it's an observation that's stayed true over the half decade I've worked there. You can't tell me there's not a culture issue at play there. Otherwise, you'd just be making a racist assumption that black men are genetically predisposed to walking around urban areas for no reason. Likewise, most of the major crimes I've had to report from seeing men and women assaulted to major property damage, etc. have been done by black males.

Changes need to be made. Even one unnecessary death at the hands of the police is too many, and the ones that reek of downright murder are completely abhorrent. But this is something where the spotlight is often shining a little too bright and people are quick to jump to conclusions, such as having protest rallies immediately when a black guy is shot at a gas station and then, the next day, the Mayor and the videotape come out showing him literally pulling out a gun and firing at an officer. Let's work together with like minds to resolve this problem that's running rampant across police localities across the country without being quick to play the race card.
How you are a mod here I do not know. You just pulled "and probably 90%" outta well a donkey is to kind. Are you serious or are you just stupid?
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How you are a mod here I do not know. You just pulled "and probably 90%" outta well a donkey is to kind. Are you serious or are you just stupid?

What gave you the impression this troll is a mod?

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Look at the text in the "star" they keep saying but but but the Star of David has a triangle inside a triangle. It is there. Look at where the text is placed. Star of Trump.

This is like the 34th time Trump did this.

So yeah buy into crooked Hillary all you want because you have been taught

whitewater
and it goes on and on...it makes money,

trump media sycophants

What?!


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Look at the text in the "star" they keep saying but but but the Star of David has a triangle inside a triangle. It is there. Look at where the text is placed. Star of Trump.

This is like the 34th time Trump did this.

So yeah buy into crooked Hillary all you want because you have been taught

whitewater
and it goes on and on...it makes money,

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... what?
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