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Old 12-05-2013, 07:59 PM   #21
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Old 12-05-2013, 08:00 PM   #22
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He's also got a 3 year old daughter and they're the cutest kids out.

Friend: "what do you guys want to be when you get older?"

5 year old: "an astronaut"

3 year old: "My farts smell like bugs"
Someone needs to sell your friend's kids to AT&T.
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Old 12-05-2013, 11:33 PM   #23
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Our unfortunate PM already expressing sympathies, yet wouldn't have hesitated to call him a terrorist in the past. Same goes for David fucking Cameron.
Mandela was anti-colonist, Abbott would always have been pro. I actually find it inappropriate that Abbott should even say anything, regardless of his current position. They would had disagreed on so many things politically.
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Old 12-06-2013, 11:44 PM   #25
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I was just in South Africa this past May/June. I rode past his and ex-wife Winnie's former houses and visited the Apartheid museum in Johannesburg. As soon I landed back in the U.S. I saw, on the baggage claim over-head TV, that he was in very critical condition. The one silver lining in his passing is that he does not have to physically suffer anymore.
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Old 12-07-2013, 11:05 AM   #26
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Old 12-09-2013, 01:11 AM   #28
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From one of our most conservative columnists - The dark side of Nelson Mandela | Andrew Bolt | Herald Sun

Anyone care to comment on this? International politics and ideologies is something I remain very, very ignorant of... He gave an award to Qaddafi? I hope Vlad or Ax sees this, and can weigh in, knowing what Bolt's like.
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Bolt doesn't understand the circumstances that lead to Mandela's use of violence, after attempting peaceful means beforehand, from his comfortable armchair it's something he finds difficult. I was vaguely aware of his connections with Qaddafi and Suharto, but I assume that they put in some support for him and that what he gave them was a thanks.

It's not an outrageous thing, Mandela has mingled with very many unsavoury characters with opposing ideological views and of course tried to make peace with the then ruling South African National Party, but naturally Bolt was not going to focus on that.

I'd put it down to Mandela's personality and willingness to even reach out to his enemies following his release.

(I'm not sure if I explained this well enough or correctly so forgive me)
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Old 12-09-2013, 09:18 AM   #30
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Mandela did elaborate on his support of individuals like Gaddafi:

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Mandela incited shock and anger in many American communities for refusing to denounce Cuban dictator Fidel Castro or Libyan Colonel Muammar Gaddafi, who had lent their support to Mandela against South African apartheid. “One of the mistakes the Western world makes is to think that their enemies should be our enemies,” he explained to an American TV audience. “We have our own struggle.” He added that those leaders “are placing resources at our disposal to win the struggle.”
It's up to you to decide whether that is adequate, but it at least sheds some light on the thought process, which is more than I can say for a lot of these articles that have popped up (inevitably from right-wingers).
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Old 12-09-2013, 09:23 AM   #31
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As far as I am aware the bombing campaign Mandela supported, was never meant to attack civilians but infrastructure. Mandela was a fighter long before he was a forgiver, but it was the fact that he fought and was then able to reconcile with his enemies that defined his legacy.

The Qaddafi thing was at a time when international relations were on the up with regards Libya. Qaddafi was moving away from the Arab nationalism stuff towards what he considered 'pan-africanism'. I think he was a founding member of the African Union. Plus he was handing out a lot of aid money to other African nations at the time. A number of years later we also had the meeting of Qaddafi and Blair in a desert tent.

One man's terrorist another man's freedom fighter and all that jazz.
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Old 12-09-2013, 11:02 AM   #32
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One man's terrorist another man's freedom fighter and all that jazz.
The enemy of my enemy is my friend, so to speak.

In his case, and others fighting apartheid, anyone willing to support their cause was worth their praise. Although, that does create awkwardness regarding relations with other countries.
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