Personhood Amendments

[Jive Turkey]

This is far from being the first time I've noticed it, but there seems to be some serious undercurrents of man-spite coming from some of the posters in here and in other threads

[deep]

Originally Posted by Pearl

I'd like to see Akin resign from the nomination

why resign, he is going to win
and replace a woman in the Senate, could be the one that swings the Senate to the GOP.




and Brown's posturing in MA could be enough to eek out a win.

[Liesje]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

This is far from being the first time I've noticed it, but there seems to be some serious undercurrents of man-spite coming from some of the posters in here and in other threads

I can see why you would say this, though at least speaking personally it does at times bother me that more men don't speak up, not just for women but for peoples' rights in general. I've never really viewed these issues as a women's rights thing but in more general terms of not being comfortable with politicians making medical decisions for me. Man or woman, I don't believe that's the business of politics but of my spouse and our doctors. Yesterday Phil (husband) and I were talking about something and he said something like, "I guess if Romney wins, things probably won't change for us anyway..." and I said, "Maybe not for YOU but they might for me...."

[Pearl]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

This is far from being the first time I've noticed it, but there seems to be some serious undercurrents of man-spite coming from some of the posters in here and in other threads

I don't think there's any manbashing going on in FYM. I can't speak for all of the female posters here, but I am horrified that there are some men in America who hold such archaic views of women. They're also not just old folks; some young men also have these beliefs. It is also baffling that issues like contraception and what is really rape being discussed openly in this country.

Maybe I'm being too harsh in my reaction to these issues, but I do feel confused and shocked, and even hurt as a woman.

[BonosSaint]

Originally Posted by Jive Turkey

This is far from being the first time I've noticed it, but there seems to be some serious undercurrents of man-spite coming from some of the posters in here and in other threads

I've reread the past few pages and haven't seen much man-spite here in those pages (not that it hasn't appeared some times). If I've missed those posts, please point them out to me and I will reread them. I don't see anti-male as much as it has been anti-asshole and anti-antiquated ideas and anti-pseudo scientific?????utterings that are meant as flimsy cover. And unfortunately, it has often been men making these recent, moronic comments. A little anger at having to fight the same fights over and over again doesn't seem unreasonable to me. Perhaps it does to you.

What would be our proper response in words and tone that would not sound anti-male to you?

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Abortion is a key issue for Mr. Akin, a six-term representative from the St. Louis suburbs. In 2011, he supported a bill that would have redefined the circumstances under which some federally funded health-care programs could be used for abortions to include only cases of "forcible rape" as opposed to "rape," which critics said might prevent funding for abortions in cases of statutory rape and other circumstances.

there is common ground here

we can all agree that "forcible rape" is 100 % wrong. period.

Let's all join with Akin and oppose "forcible rape".

that is the take away.

[corianderstem]

I don't feel the need to specify what kind of rape I oppose. I oppose rape in any and all forms.

[Liesje]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

I don't feel the need to specify what kind of rape I oppose. I oppose rape in any and all forms.

You'd think it goes without saying...

[corianderstem]

I know deep is just doing his deep thing, but I had to say it.

[deep]

i know it is not a sound argument

I was just trying to figure out how Sean Hannitty or Limbaugh might frame it.

This MO Senate seat has been one the GOP were counting as a pick up. Interesting that some GOP want him to step down.

At this point if he does not step on any more land mines, I think he can still win.

[yolland]

Figured this would happen.


Washington Post, Aug. 20

National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn (R-Tex.) informed Rep. Todd Akin on Monday that the national GOP will not spend money to help elect him to the Senate after Akin’s controversial comments about “legitimate rape,” according to an NRSC aide. Cornyn also told Akin that, by staying in the race, he is endangering Republicans’ hopes of retaking the majority in the Senate, the aide said.

Akin had refused to withdraw his Senate campaign earlier Monday as Republicans, hoping to contain damage to the party brand, stampeded away from the staunch anti-abortion Senate candidate after he used the phrase “legitimate rape” in talking about abortion and pregnancy.

...Earlier in the day, GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney condemned Akin’s original remarks. “Congressman Akin’s comments on rape are insulting, inexcusable and, frankly, wrong,” Romney said in a phone interview with the National Review Online, the second time that he has addressed the issue. “Like millions of other Americans, we found them to be offensive.”

[deep]

OK, after seeing that ^

he may not survive, if they replace him, they could get a bounce in MO for doing the right thing.

[Liesje]

Wow that might be the first thing Romney's ever said that I can appreciate!

[deep]

some of the lefties in here seem to tolerate 'lesser' rapes


if they are 'wiki' rapes

[PhilsFan]

Originally Posted by deep

some of the lefties in here seem to tolerate 'lesser' rapes


if they are 'wiki' rapes

Give me a break.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by BonosSaint

A little anger at having to fight the same fights over and over again doesn't seem unreasonable to me

Nope. When you've never had to fight those fights perhaps it's more difficult to understand.

Call me the biggest man hating bitch in the world (far from the truth but it makes for good drama and supposition I suppose) but I refuse to make nice for the likes of Akin. Women wouldn't be where we are if we made nice for the likes of him, let alone anyone else of his ilk.

I hate assholes (that would be asshole men but not all men, and asshole women but not all women) and antiquated ideas and pseudo science, and I hate all of the above having anything to do with decisions about my life. Is that ok?

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by deep

there is common ground here

we can all agree that "forcible rape" is 100 % wrong. period.

Let's all join with Akin and oppose "forcible rape".

that is the take away.

I could be wrong but I think Paul Ryan supported that bill too. I know there was some bill he cosponsored or endorsed that involved the rape being specifically defined as forcible rape.

[LemonMelon]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

I could be wrong but I think Paul Ryan supported that bill too. I know there was some bill he cosponsored or endorsed that involved the rape involved being specifically defined as forcible rape.

It was the ambiguously-titled “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act" that introduced the baffling rape terminology last year. Paul Ryan supported it, so now he's being lumped into this, and rightfully so.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by LemonMelon

It was the ambiguously-titled “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act" that introduced the baffling rape terminology last year. Paul Ryan supported it, so now he's being lumped into this, and rightfully so.

Thanks. It's just not as fringe when the VP candidate was involved in something like that.

[deep]

Originally Posted by LemonMelon

It was the ambiguously-titled “No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act" that introduced the baffling rape terminology last year. Paul Ryan supported it, so now he's being lumped into this, and rightfully so.

it passed 251 to 175

No Taxpayer Funding for Abortion Act (H.R. 3) - GovTrack.us

it got 16 Democratic votes

I did not see anything in the text about 'forcible rapes'.