Personhood Amendments

[deep]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

6/03/2012
Women on Contraceptive Pill Should Pay $1,500 a Year More Tax
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That is a Republican dilemma

damn that Grover Norquist's no new tax pledge

[Moonlit_Angel]

Good point, deep.

So I'm just curious: What exactly are we women supposed to do? If we use birth control, we're apparently whores who will sleep with anything that moves and failing in our womanly duties to get pregnant and have kids, and we should be taxed.

If we don't use birth control, we're irresponsible. But we shouldn't use it, because we should just wait until we get married to have the proper sex that is deemed okay by some out there.

So which option is the "right" one that will make everyone who thinks this has to even be their business to begin with happy?

[BVS]

Moonlit,

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE haven't you figured it out yet? Sex is only for procreation. If you are not procreating you are fornicating.

You are defined by your sex and sex only has ONE purpose, and damnitt government should have control of that.

The sooner you learn the better.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Right, of course. Silly me using my brain and trying to think about things and stuff .

[KhanadaRhodes]

Originally Posted by BVS

I just recently read an article and I wish I could find it but a small town was having issues with it's water life and water supply, they finally tracked it down to the psychiatric hospital and patients urinating in the showers. The way their infastructure was designed the showers drained directly into the river. Can you imagine the kinds of drugs these patients are on?

I think this says more about our water supply and sewage treatment than anything else.

exactly. i've heard about this before too, especially with eating fish and such. perhaps we should be wondering why our government is doing such a bad job of treating our sewage and looking into improving ways of filtering the water. but no, we need to make it all women's fault for taking birth control even though like you said, it's not just birth control that pollutes the water.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Saying VAGINA violates their freaking "decorum", but they think they are qualified to control OUR vaginas. JUST DON'T SAY IT!!!! How about pee pee, maybe that's at their maturity level. Vajayjay, in Oprah yelling voice. How about hoo ha, like the Hoo Ha monologues way back when.



Michigan Dem banned by Republicans for using the word ‘vagina’ | The Raw Story


A female Democratic state representative in Michigan said Thursday that she has been silenced by her Republican colleagues after she uttered the word “vagina” while criticizing a slate of bills that would restrict female reproductive rights.

Michigan State Rep. Lisa Brown (D) made her comments during a Wednesday debate on proposed legislation that critics say could effectively ban abortions in the state. ”I have not asked you to adopt and adhere to my religious beliefs,” she said. “Why are you asking me to adopt yours? And finally, Mr. Speaker, I’m flattered that you’re all so interested in my vagina, but no means no.”

The legislation, contained in three separate bills, would limit abortions by restricting procedures past 20 weeks of pregnancy, imposing new insurance and licensing requirements on clinics, limiting access to abortion drugs and placing new requirements on the tissue disposal process.

An earlier hearing on the same bills saw representatives from Michigan Planned Parenthood shut out and ignored — an act that attracted hundreds of protesters to the capitol on Tuesday.

Speaking against the bills after being recognized by the House speaker, Rep. Brown relayed a little known fact: Jewish law that places the life of the mother over that of an unborn child, no matter how far along the pregnancy is.

That’s when she dropped the v-word.

House Republican leadership later confirmed to Michigan Radio that they felt her comment violated decorum, and that she would not be called upon in future debates.

A second female Democrat, State Rep. Barb Byrum (D), said that she too has been banned from speaking in recognized debate following an “outburst” over the same slate of legislation.

Video from the Michigan House floor shows Byrum attempting to speak about an amendment to the anti-abortion bills, but the speaker does not recognize her despite her status as the amendment’s author.

Her repeated requests to speak were ignored as Republicans swiftly knocked down the proposal, and she later claimed it was because she had used the word “vasectomy.” Byrum’s amendment would have subjected men’s reproductive rights to the same regulations proposed for women.

Republicans, who hold a powerful majority in the Michigan House and Senate, passed the bills with the help of just six Democrats in a vote Wednesday of 70-39.

Both representatives are now banned from recognized debate for an unspecified amount of time.

Update: Michigan Dem calls on women to withhold sex until legislature backs down

In comments ahead of Wednesday’s vote on restricting female reproductive rights, Michigan State Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D), of Detroit, called on the women of her state to withhold sex from their partners until the legislature backs down.

“We’re launching a war on women,” she said. “Stop having sex with us, gentlemen, and I ask women to boycott men until they stop moving this through the House.”

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by MrsSpringsteen

In comments ahead of Wednesday’s vote on restricting female reproductive rights, Michigan State Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D), of Detroit, called on the women of her state to withhold sex from their partners until the legislature backs down.

“We’re launching a war on women,” she said. “Stop having sex with us, gentlemen, and I ask women to boycott men until they stop moving this through the House.”

Ha, there's an idea .

Really? They were offended by the use of the word "vagina"?

Why, WHY are idiots like that in office? *Puts head in hands, sighs*

[BonosSaint]

Why is a word like Vaginaso scary, so offensive?

If women are banned from making choices about their own reproductive freedom, then it’s only fair and only right that men can only get a vasectomy to avert death or avoid illness or psychological injury. If we truly want to make sure that children are born, then we would regulate vasectomies.

Why is vasectomy so scary?


A little Greek. Lysistrata.

“We’re launching a war on women,” she said. “Stop having sex with us, gentlemen, and I ask women to boycott men until they stop moving this through the House.”

Seriously, there are a lot of great guys out there (not like in the House or Senate or anything, ) who don't deserve that shit. Sex or witholding of shouldn't be a weapon. Except sometimes. When it can be effective.

[Pearl]

Don't know if this is the best place to post this, but I thought we could use some good news in this thread:

The possibility of a male birth control pill may be creeping ever closer.
Scientists have discovered a small molecule that produces a rapid and reversible decrease in sperm count in mice, according to researchers with the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute and Baylor College of Medicine.
The compound, known as JQ1, penetrates a boundary in the cells of the male testes and shuts off sperm development in the testicles. The result is non-hormonal birth control that researchers said is entirely reversible.
"Within one to two months [after discontinuing the drug], there was complete restoration in testicular size, sperm number, sperm motility and -- importantly -- fertility," said Dr. James Bradner, an oncologist with Dana Farber and an author on the study. "The litter size was normal, and there were no obvious, adverse symptoms in these animals."

New Male Birth Control Option Shows Promise, Preliminary Study Finds

As a woman, I am excited to hear about this. Soon, both men and women would take responsibility, instead of the guy always saying "Hey, I thought you were on the Pill!"

[Moonlit_Angel]

Be interesting to see if lawmakers will try and restrict that as much as they try to do with the female birth control.

That is quite interesting, though-hopefully it'll all work out and that can start showing up on the market down the line .

[MrsSpringsteen]

Does saying testicles and sperm violate decorum?

I wonder if the guys who want govt assistance to pay for birth control pills will be called sluts by people like Limbaugh

[Pearl]

I doubt there will be an uproar over male contraceptives. It's OK for men to be in charge of their sex lives, but if a woman dares to go against patriarchial views of sex, she's instantly immoral and a threat to society. Contraception is all about women taking control of their bodies and sexuality, something conservative men don't want. I swear I hate the double-standard, I really do. It makes absolutely so sense.

[Irvine511]

It's about me havi the religious freedom to be the boss of other women's vaginas.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Even guys get shamed for too much casual sex - CBS News

Just not by Rush Limbaugh

[Pearl]

Woo-hoo! I think both genders should have the same standards when it comes to sex. Even I wouldn't want to be with a guy who's been with about a hundred women. That says to me that he might have commitment issues, so I wouldn't want to deal with that.

[digitize]

Lawmakers haven't seriously attempted to try to legally restrict access to birth control. They've just tried to not force employers to pay for it. There is a difference.

[Irvine511]

Are there other medications that employers should not be "forced" to cover in their health plans?

[digitize]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

Are there other medications that employers should not be "forced" to cover in their health plans?

I'm not saying that I believe that employers shouldn't be required to provide contraception. But to me, it is a little deceptive to claim that politicians (barring a few insane ones) really want to "restrict" female birth control. It also seems a little dishonest to me to state that not forcing employers to pay for birth control only impacts women, not men. Men typically depend on birth control too... unplanned pregnancies are not particularly desirable for either party. The term "war on women" bugs me a bit. I'd personally be in favor of a national moratorium on "war on _____".

[Pearl]

Republican Senate Nominee Explains That Women Don't Really Get Pregnant From 'Legitimate Rape'

I swear this country is going backwards. Its embarrassing to be an American whenever people like this Senator say such ignorant things.

[corianderstem]

First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from rape] is really rare. If it's a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.

Oh, how interesting. Can I assume these doctors went to Hollywood Upstairs Medical College?