Personhood Amendments

[Dfit00]

If I argue that life starts when you are 21, in what position does that put me in?

[PhilsFan]

Does that mean that women will have to file calendars of the menstrual cycles along with their taxes?

[MrsSpringsteen]

When male politicians menstruate then they can have any ounce of concern for when I do. If they would like they can borrow my period and try it out, it's tons o'fun. Rick Santorum can be first in line.

[corianderstem]

You know, I just wish these people would just go after Roe v Wade and be done with it, rather than these asinine ideas that are intended to chip away at it.

Just spare us your idiocy and go after what you really want.

Knock yourself out. It's not going to stop abortions from happening.

[anitram]

Arizona must have zero unemployment, no crime, well-funded schools and exemplary graduation rates, economic growth in all sectors and no deficit. Bravo! Means they can work on initiatives like this.

[digitize]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

You know, I just wish these people would just go after Roe v Wade and be done with it, rather than these asinine ideas that are intended to chip away at it.

Just spare us your idiocy and go after what you really want.

Knock yourself out. It's not going to stop abortions from happening.

A judicial attempt to get Roe v. Wade repealed would probably be more sane, if less entertaining, than this absurdity.

[Liesje]

These peoples' obsession with someone else's mentrual cycles is just gross. I've been dealing with my own for almost 20 years now and still would rather not think about it.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Originally Posted by Liesje

These peoples' obsession with someone else's mentrual cycles is just gross. I've been dealing with my own for almost 20 years now and still would rather not think about it.

Seriously. What the hell is the deal with that? How does that not scream, "BEYOND CREEPY" to more people?

Also, these stories clearly show that there are an awful lot of people who either missed out on sex ed in school, or are a perfect argument of why we desperately need to have more sex ed in school.

[MrsSpringsteen]

We should have a march on Washington complete with tampons and maxi pads

[Moonlit_Angel]

Hahaha, there's an idea!

I'd actually kinda like to see that happen.

[Liesje]

Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel

Seriously. What the hell is the deal with that? How does that not scream, "BEYOND CREEPY" to more people?

Also, these stories clearly show that there are an awful lot of people who either missed out on sex ed in school, or are a perfect argument of why we desperately need to have more sex ed in school.

Seriously...maybe TMI but as I was reading that article it struck me that I don't even know my own cycle. My Dr. always asks about it, when was the most recent dates, bla bla bla and I never know what to say. I just don't really keep track of "stuff" like that, doesn't really matter to me. If some creeper congressperson wants to keep track for me they're welcome to but I've got too much to keep track of already.

[Moonlit_Angel]

Same here.

Not to mention, there are women out there who, for whatever reason, be it diet or health issues or whatever, have very, very irregular cycles. It's not always as easy to "time" those things as people think, that stuff varies greatly from woman to woman and there's all sorts of factors as to why.

But no, don't bother studying up on those facts or anything, politicians. Facts get in the way of your bizarre policy ideas, and we can't have that!

[Liesje]

Due to those reasons you mentioned and even more so because of Rx I don't think I know anyone who DOES have a regular cycle.

[KhanadaRhodes]

Originally Posted by Liesje

Seriously...maybe TMI but as I was reading that article it struck me that I don't even know my own cycle. My Dr. always asks about it, when was the most recent dates, bla bla bla and I never know what to say. I just don't really keep track of "stuff" like that, doesn't really matter to me. If some creeper congressperson wants to keep track for me they're welcome to but I've got too much to keep track of already.

agreed. also tmi, but i only know what to tell them if i'm "lucky" enough to be on my cycle when i'm at the doctor. even then i have to stop and think "did i start on saturday? or was it sunday?"

it's not that i don't pay attention, but i sure as hell wouldn't know if i were a day late. i'm on the pill and i know that when i get to a certain part of my monthly pack, i should get my period. i mean, it's not the same freaking day every month. so if i were to ever get past that section and nothing happened, then i'd freak out. but it's rather unsettling that a total stranger, and a man no less (i'm not sexist but only one man should care about this, my boyfriend. my doctor's female.) is so obsessed about this. it's like some hyper version of an overprotective father. just this is far, far worse because at least the father was just doing it when their daughter was 16. these congressmen want to do it to women who are 16, 25, 32, 48, etc. i'm a grown woman and it's none of their business, and i don't see how this obsession helps make the government smaller.

[MrsSpringsteen]

I'm just glad caterpillars don't menstruate. I'm assuming they don't, but maybe after they're finished worrying about when all of us do the Republicans can do some studies on that.

Priebus Says Gender Battle Fictional as Caterpillar War - Bloomberg

If the Democrats said we had a war on caterpillars and every mainstream media outlet talked about the fact that Republicans have a war on caterpillars, then we’d have problems with caterpillars,” Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt” airing this weekend. “It’s a fiction.”


Huffington Post

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) spoke out forcefully in favor of reproductive rights on Wednesday in Homer, Alaska, as many in her party have sought to restrict them.

"It makes no sense to make this attack on women," she said at a local Chamber of Commerce luncheon, according to the Homer News. "If you don't feel this is an attack, you need to go home and talk to your wife and your daughters."

She also said that she would continue to support funding for Planned Parenthood, adding that the courts have affirmed a legal right to an abortion and she stands by that.

Murkowski criticized GOP presidential candidates for not condemning Rush Limbaugh for calling Georgetown law student Sandra Fluke a "slut" and a "prostitute," which he later apologized for. Fluke was rejected as a witness before a panel on the Obama contraception mandate chaired by House Oversight And Government Reform Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) last February. (She spoke Thursday to HuffPost in a Q&A.)

"To have those kind of slurs against a woman … you had candidates who want to be our president not say, 'That's wrong. That's offensive.' They did not condemn the rhetoric," she said.

Mitt Romney, whom she endorsed, said "it’s not the language I would have used." Rick Santorum called his comments "absurd." Newt Gingrich said that Limbaugh was right to apologize.

Murkowski, however, voted for the failed Blunt Amendment last month along with all but one Republican, which would have allowed employers to refuse to cover contraception or any other health service for moral reasons. She later said she regretted her vote and wouldn't do it again if she had the chance.

[Moonlit_Angel]

If the Democrats said we had a war on caterpillars and every mainstream media outlet talked about the fact that Republicans have a war on caterpillars, then we’d have problems with caterpillars,” Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said in an interview on Bloomberg Television’s “Political Capital with Al Hunt” airing this weekend. “It’s a fiction.”

Um...yeah...that's a logical analogy, sure .

Maybe "war" isn't the proper word to use, but I don't see anyone trying to restrict male sexual activity at all. I don't see laws being put in place that dictate when men can impregnate women, or denying them coverage for protection or pills for any sexual issues they're dealing with. Men can sleep around with whomever they wish and get as many girls pregnant and the worst they'll get is the occasional "Yeah, they shouldn't do that." from a few critical people out there. They don't get the male equivalent of "slut shamed", nobody thinks their lives are "ruined" as a result of sleeping around.

Nope, so far it just seems us women are the ones who are expected to only have sex when others dictate we can. And how we handle our monthly cycles, or our pregnancies-things men will NEVER have to deal with firsthand-is apparently everybody else's business now. If we want to get birth control somehow we're failing in our womanly duties to get pregnant and we're trying to take control of our sexual activity, and we can't have that!

So yeah. It does kind of make us women wonder what exactly the deal is. We have an economy that is still recovering that the Republicans swore up and down they'd try and "fix", we have foreign policy issues that we should probably focus on, there are people starving and dying for no reason at all, health care is still something that needs to be dealt with.

But no. Let's spend our lawmaking time obsessing over whether or not women want birth control covered on their insurance and whether it offends someone's precious religious sensiblities to do so.

Shut up, Priebus.

"To have those kind of slurs against a woman … you had candidates who want to be our president not say, 'That's wrong. That's offensive.' They did not condemn the rhetoric," she said.

Thank you. The responses they did give were halfhearted criticism at best, and Gingrich only said his after he got attacked because he originally said, "We have more important things to worry about than Rush."

Again, we're not hearing the sort of nasty comments Rush made about Fluke targeted at men.

[notsomadLisa]

Originally Posted by KhanadaRhodes

agreed. also tmi, but i only know what to tell them if i'm "lucky" enough to be on my cycle when i'm at the doctor. even then i have to stop and think "did i start on saturday? or was it sunday?"

why bother thinking what day you started? My usual response if I'm 'lucky' like you is to say "well i've got it now, so does that answer your question?"

aww crap, when did I start? Oh yeah, I forgot. Seriously, unless a woman is super organized (or keeps track of such things religiously), when asked that question at the doctor (or hospital as I'm so frequently in the ER), I generally get the blank stare and go "I don't remember", then when they ask if there's a chance I could be pregnant (which is at times a valid question, especially if they're doing rads or giving particular meds), my usual response is "run a test to find out, but it'll be a miracle if I was".

But, since there's lots of medications out there that can affect pregnancy, and unless you read the side effects to every medication (something I sure as hell don't because I'm on so many at a particular time, ranging from narcotic pain medications, to thyroid, anti-depressants, blood pressure, diuretics for kidney issues and other stuff, I'm sure one or more of the medications I'm on could potentially cause either a miscarriage or defect.

Does that mean I can blame the Doctor if I were to become pregnant and then miscarry because of a medication? Not to mention, there's a high percentage of pregnancies that occur and then miscarry without the woman actually knowing she's pregnant.

Bodies are a strange thing. No one woman is perfect, and I'd be hard pressed to find a woman that is regularly 28 days (without the influence of birth control or external sources such as medication) EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Since stress can delay, medications can delay, blah blah blah. Heck, even animals are never regular, and last time I checked, we are technically part of the animal kingdom (and I know some people that are a little closer to the animal side rather than the human side )

Besides, what about the women that require birth control for other reasons? Acne, endometriosis (which can be a cause of miscarriages), PCOS etc? Are we to blame if we miscarry because we have endometriosis, PCOS or ovarian cysts? I'd love to stay absolutely stress free also, but that'll never happen

[maycocksean]

Also, tmi. . ..

My wife never knows when hers is. I'm the one who keeps track! Not intentionally. . .I just happen to have a really good memory and a thing for dates and times.

[MrsSpringsteen]

Originally Posted by maycocksean

Also, tmi. . ..

My wife never knows when hers is. I'm the one who keeps track! Not intentionally. . .I just happen to have a really good memory and a thing for dates and times.

You're the period Rainman

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