Personhood Amendments

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Aren't you glad your mom did not abort you?

I'm glad my mother had access to safe birth control so she and my father could be married for 7 years and wait until they were emotionally and financially prepared to have children.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by corianderstem

Aren't you glad the government does not have a say over what I do with my uterus?

Or do I not understand what a libertarian is?

I will say that individuals should be responsible for their actions.

It is wrong to kill the innocent.

[Irvine511]

So you aren't a libertarian then.

It's fine -- just be honest about it.

I mean, you seem to think gay people are sinners and not entitled to full personhood status So it's not like you have much of a track record to defend.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

So you aren't a libertarian then.

It's fine -- just be honest about it.

I mean, you seem to think gay people are sinners and not entitled to full personhood status So it's not like you have much of a track record to defend.

Why don't you be honest?

Please post a statement by me about anything I have said
about gay people?

[Irvine511]

You've said, several times, that you think being gay is a sin, and threw the line "the world only sins forward" at me when my signature was "the world only spins forward" which is from Angels in America.

My point is not to make this about gay people. My point is that you are libertarian when it comes to your likes -- smoking, drinking, fatty food -- but not when it comes to things you dislike.

Being a libertarian involves tolerating even things you don't morally approve of. You are perfectly free to think gay people are sinners. Many libertarians likely do. But real libertarians realize that their prejudices alone are not grounds to deny people rights, including the right of a woman to choose when she does and does not have a child. As a libertarian, it's perfectly valid to hold the position that abortion kills an innocent life. But a libertarian would admit that this is an opinion, and this would never presume to tell a woman what she can and cannot do with her womb.

[PhilsFan]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Aren't you glad your mom did not abort you?

Your mother probably didn't have to go through the pain of a miscarriage, did she?

[Moonlit_Angel]

I remember taking a political quiz online once that labeled me a "left-leaning libertarian". Take from that what you will.

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Aren't you glad your mom did not abort you?

Nah, I'm totally unhappy here on Earth.

Of course I'm glad my mom had me (though, if she HAD aborted me, I wouldn't have known she was doing so 'cause I wouldn't have had the capacity to understand such things and would be dying, therefore rendering my thoughts on the issue pretty much moot, but, whatever). And if I ever find myself pregnant, it'd have to take some significant health issue of some kind for me to consider the idea of abortion, I think. I don't see myself ever going down that path unless I absolutely, positively HAVE to. I'm doing everything in my power to keep from getting pregnant until I'm good and ready to have a child so I don't have to make such hard choices. I happen to know someone who's been through that, and I don't want that experience for myself.

But I also know that this is not everyone's scenario. Not everyone has family and friends who they can turn to when they find themselves in such a state. Not everyone's pregnancies go off without problems. Not everyone gets pregnant willingly. Not everyone is ready to have a child. Not everyone should have a child, quite frankly-there are some women who are horrid excuses for parents and it shudders me to think of them raising kids.

And so on. Therefore, I think it's perfectly acceptable to let every woman be able to make the choice that is best for them regarding their bodies. Their health. Their futures, and the potential futures of their children. The idea that one solution fits every girl's problems in this situation is flat out false.

You can disagree with the woman's choice all you want. You are entitled to your own opinion on the issue. But you are not her. And it is not your decision to make.

[cobl04]

Originally Posted by Moonlit_Angel

But you are not her. And it is not your decision to make.

This seems to be largely forgotten in the debate. Because who would know better in terms of a woman having an abortion? The pregnant woman, knowing all about her own health, life, financial, social situation etc? Or a conservative male law maker/politician/supporter whom she's never even met?

[Moonlit_Angel]

Exactly.

As I've said before, that's what's so frustrating. It's men making decisions about something they will never experience firsthand, situations they will never find themselves in, involving women that, like you said, they most likely don't know.

It's a very personal thing, and it's not a decision that is made lightly. I don't know how much clearer I can make that point.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by Irvine511

You've said, several times, that you think being gay is a sin, and threw the line "the world only sins forward" at me when my signature was "the world only spins forward" which is from Angels in America

You can do a search.

Please post my quote.

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

You can do a search.

Please post my quote.

so can you.

do your own homework and prove me wrong.

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

You can do a search.

Please post my quote.

Or you could own up to your own statements.

[the iron horse]

Originally Posted by Diemen

Or you could own up to your own statements.

I'm waiting on you guys to post the quote.

[LemonMelon]

http://www.u2interference.com/forums...ml#post6082810

It's even bolded, in case you missed it.

[PhilsFan]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

I'm waiting on you guys to post the quote.

Why?

[Irvine511]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

I'm waiting on you guys to post the quote.

lucky for you someone did your own work for you.

awaiting your defense.

[maycocksean]

^Like waiting for Godot. . .

[Diemen]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

I'm waiting on you guys to post the quote.

And I quote:

Originally Posted by the iron horse

The World Only Sins Forward

Eagerly awaiting the coming deflection.

[Jive Turkey]

ThE DoucHe iS oUt TherE

[deep]

Originally Posted by the iron horse

Please post a statement by me about anything I have said
about gay people?

everything you have posted in this thread has only been pro-life, I have not seen anything about gay people