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Can we just delete this thread and not talk about Pat Robertson? This isn't going to generate any useful back-and-forth because no one on this forum defends him.
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Seriously. What else can be said other than "fuck that guy"?
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Relax. Useful back and forth has never been the standard here. If it happens, it's usually an accident. The thread doesn't break any rules, except boring you. And if I had known that was a rule, I would have been screaming VIOLATION! for many threads. The thread will die on it own or it won't. Ignore it or just sit back and wonder at the WhatTheFuckity about the man.
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#45 |
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Well there have been some that defend him in here. But beyond that like BonoSaint said, back and forth is no longer the standard in here and has never been a qualifier for a thread, and the truth is he may not be defended strongly in here but he is still strongly defended outside of FYM. He is still a strong figure in certain conservative circles.
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I've felt this way for a long time. Some will complain that "their side" got piled on in here, and as that might be true on rare occasion, I think the real reason is that one side has almost completely lost their ability to intelligently debate. Not just in here, but in society in general. This current political environment is almost completely void of real debate.
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Plenty of threads bore me here-not just in FYM either. Echo chamber of inside jokes, snarkfests, and more. I ignore them, I don't ask for them to be deleted.The participation in Interference as a whole has declined big time. Just look at the number of guests vs members on a daily basis, and it has been like that for a long time now. People got tired of certain things and left, others would rather talk about themselves on Facebook, whatever the reasons are. Thus the lack of any meaningful convo in FYM. I can't be held responsible for that, let alone just posting that. There are people besides him who have that attitude, unfortunately. Not the reason for the lack of meaningful debate in FYM, or the apparent decline of Interference.
I've been up since 7:30 shoveling and raking a roof. Now off to work to do some more productive things, so I won't be posting any more things that need to be deleted. No one's complaining about people not reading or responding, that wasn't her point and it's not mine either. Couldn't care less, honestly. |
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No, you came here for an argument.
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We could have nuanced debate between people who have similar viewpoints but different approaches, but it is harder to be snarky to somebody who is on your side. It is harder to win. It might sound polite if our goal is not to destroy. You want to debate? Start a topic. It's unreasonable to expect other people to carry a ball you're dropping. |
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those of you who feel like the "other side" is becoming an echo chamber and not actually engaging in any debate always have the option of ignoring threads you don't like. then they'll fall to the bottom of the page, then page two, etc.
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The reason why I seem "offended" is because you've made this kind of speculation more than once before, and I just find it unfair. I've Googled around and found no report of Internet forums being more popular since before Facebook. If you have any links, please show them. I also don't think its accurate to say social media is the place to go for people to talk about themselves. Look at Zoo Confessionals or anywhere else on this forum, or any other forum. A lot of people are talking about themselves there too. Also, I do think saying something like people go to Facebook just to talk about themselves is a generalization, because there are many who do not frequently post things about themselves. I don't, and the majority of my friends don't; we are moderate on Facebook. And maybe its me, but I just feel like your generalization is being said with disdain. As for Interference declining, who knows why exactly. I'm on other forums and they are doing fine as always. |
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You're reading all of that into it, honestly I don't care one way or the other. The research has to do with narcissism and Facebook, and I'm not making up the word narcissism or using it with disdain or condescension, that's just the word they use. The research I was referring to was not about forums vs Facebook, I just think that could be a common sense conclusion. I've seen several people here say that Facebook is one reason why they spend much less time here. Of course people talk about themselves here, but I would think the decline has to do with lack of interest in talking about ideas vs people. You can see exactly that on numerous threads on Interference
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I've seen those studies that link social media to narcissism, but is it true for all users? Of course not. For you to say Facebook is behind the decline of forums is a theory, not a fact. Unless there is proof that is the case, honestly I won't take your belief seriously. I disagree with a lot of what you say about social media, and in true FYM form, I'm explaining why I disagree. |
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Do you honestly think it's worth debating? I don't. I'm not saying Facebook is the only place where people are narcissistic or like to talk about themselves. Never said it's true for all users either, so no need to take it personally. Didn't think it was necessary to clarify it, but I will officially on the record. I think it stands to reason that the more time people spend on Facebook, the less time they have to spend here or in any other online discussion forums. Even if someone has 24/7 to do both. Hardly think that's an unreasonable conclusion. That's all I have to say, because honestly I think it's ridiculous to continue talking about it. And the technical problems with posting here today are making it even more so.
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Well, when you make a statement a few times like that, eventually someone will respond.
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Where is it? All I see is a bunch of leftists going "Oh man, look what these Republicans did now! What an outrage!" Like, is that someone's idea of fun? I know this forum has always leaned left but now it just seems that everyone agrees with everyone. Quote:
It just feels like there's a collective piling on here with liberals who want to bitch and moan about conservatives over and over again, essentially unchallenged. So, what ball am I dropping? Am I supposed to be deep and intentionally take a devil's advocate approach that borders on trolling? I think the GOP is nuts, but if we're going to talk about that, I'd like to be challenged by someone who genuinely feels differently. Quote:
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