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Old 05-02-2011, 01:29 AM   #161
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i have a (very, very close) friend who has a fairly dramatic 9/11 story that's too complicated to get into here, but he actually called me in tears. for many people, it's an enormous event that's also deeply personal.
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Old 05-02-2011, 01:30 AM   #162
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The line I think of is "they weren't born wanting to do this". I don't believe that people are born hating certain groups of people or nations, and wanting to kill as many people as possible. I think it's important that we try to understand what circumstances people like him grew up in, that shaped him, that led him to becoming what he became. You can call him evil, but evil doesn't just happen, and determining where it comes from might be more productive than celebrating its demise.

That's not to say I'm shedding any tears right now. Feeling pride that we finally caught a long-sought enemy is fine, feeling a surge of patriotism because of that is fine, and I completely understand why people who lost loved ones on 9/11 and/or who have lost loved ones in Afghanistan or Iraq would want to celebrate this, but that can be done without sounding and looking like 12 year olds, that can be done in a thoughtful way rather than a callus way.
Very mature way of looking at it, and I hope it creates some interesting sociological discussion - but personally I don't want to give Osama any remote kind of sympathy. Sorry if you or others don't agree with me on that.
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i have a (very, very close) friend who has a fairly dramatic 9/11 story that's too complicated to get into here, but he actually called me in tears. for many people, it's an enormous event that's also deeply personal.
This side of things is why it brings a smile to my face. For those who were directly affected by 9/11... it's enormous.
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I wonder how long before they release the remains to the family.
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Old 05-02-2011, 01:33 AM   #165
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Wow, it didn't take long for the haters to come out. There's skeptical and then there's delusion. Seriously, no matter what Obama does there's going to be people screaming conspiracy or hoax. Give me a freaking break.

I am so glad he is our president right now.
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I wouldn't say it's "sympathy." It's wanting to understand what makes someone the way they are. They weren't born a terrorist.

It's the difference between writing off horrible actions by saying someone is "evil" or a "monster" and understanding that there are no monsters, just human beings who do evil or monstrous things.

Unless they're born a sociopath, people who do monstrous things were once just harmless little babies, too.
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Wow, it didn't take long for the haters to come out. There's skeptical and then there's delusion. Seriously, no matter what Obama does there's going to be people screaming conspiracy or hoax. Give me a freaking break.

I am so glad he is our president right now.
Thank you! I completely agree!

I'm so tired of all the people out there that, no matter what, will continue to complain, scream, and "call hoax" on everything our President does. He is doing the best job he can, at what is arguably the toughest job in the world, and I think he is doing wonderfully.

I say, even if you didn't vote for him, he is still the elected leader of this wonderful country and he deserves your respect.
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Because Osama was never captured? Hard to give a trial to someone not in your custody.
Okay, maybe I should have asked first, how hard did they try to take him alive? Was the mission always to just kill him and not capture?
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Thank you! I completely agree!

I'm so tired of all the people out there that, no matter what, will continue to complain, scream, and "call hoax" on everything our President does. He is doing the best job he can, at what is arguably the toughest job in the world, and I think he is doing wonderfully.

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I say, even if you didn't vote for him, he is still the elected leader of this wonderful country and he deserves your respect.
And did you do the same for Bush?
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We've heard from the ordained Christian Minister that may be a GOP candidiate

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LITTLE ROCK, Ark. (AP) — Former Arkansas governor and 2008 presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said Americans and “decent people” have reason to cheer the death Osama bin Laden and told the Al-Qaida leader “Welcome to hell.”

According to Huckabee, “It is unusual to celebrate a death, but today Americans and decent people the world over cheer the news that madman, murderer and terrorist Osama Bin Laden is dead.”

Continuing, Huckabee said, “It has taken a long time for this monster to be brought to justice. Welcome to hell, bin Laden. Let us all hope that his demise will serve notice to Islamic radicals the world over that the United States will be relentless is tracking down and terminating those who would inflict terror, mayhem and death on any of our citizens.”
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And did you do the same for Bush?
Bush got a lot of shit he didn't deserve because of his uncharismatic presence and tendency to say/do stupid things.
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Bush got a lot of shit he didn't deserve because of his uncharismatic presence and tendency to say/do stupid things.
I wouldn't say he was uncharismatic. In fact, many thought the opposite.

He was much better to listen to than to read, if you wanted to come away with a warm feeling.
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And did you do the same for Bush?

I did actually.
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That's probably the guys best quality. He seemed damn friendly.
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Regarding the "frat boys" partying outside the White House:

I live just outside of Washington, DC. There was a Capitals game tonight (we lost). The Verizon Center is within walking distance of The White House (especially for momentous occasions such as this). Most of those "frat boys" are, in fact, just drunk hockey fans.
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If you buy this piece of crap, you need your sweet little head examined.

The dollar is crashing, gold is at a all time high, there is fall-out from the Japanese nuclear explosions on the west coast of the USA, they just killed some kids in Libya, so, hey, how are we gonna take the minds of the sheeple off all of this? Oh, I know, let's kill (alleged CIA asset) Osama Bin Laden.

What a load of rubbish.

I call BULLSHIT.
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I wouldn't say he was uncharismatic. In fact, many thought the opposite.

He was much better to listen to than to read, if you wanted to come away with a warm feeling.
Well, when I say uncharismatic I mean that he broke down the relationship between him and the listener whenever he said something stupid or goofed up big time in his speeches. Kinda killed the credibility of his voice, and made him sound fake.
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Finance guy, don't you think if he wasn't dead, he'd just release another video saying "nope, I'm not dead"? At some point, the conspiracy nonsense gets pretty ridiculous
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Okay, maybe I should have asked first, how hard did they try to take him alive? Was the mission always to just kill him and not capture?
on UK news they're saying bin Laden once said he would never be taken alive and would die fighting...
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